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Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is working furiously behind the scenes to put pressure on President Biden to reconsider his place at the top of the 2024 ticket, according to a number of Democratic lawmakers familiar with her efforts.

The Speaker emerita is talking to a broad swath of House Democrats — from front-liners in tough districts to hardened veterans with institutional clout — to pump the brakes on the notion that Biden should definitively be the party’s nominee heading into November, these lawmakers said.

Pelosi has not said Biden should exit the race, but the lawmakers said she harbors deep concerns about Biden’s ability to defeat former President Trump, and she’s fighting to prevent the party from rubber-stamping Biden’s candidacy before there’s a broader discussion about the potentially damaging consequences of that decision.

Note: This is a "breaking" story, as in, its been leaked and is just now showing up on multiple outlets.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Would be AWFULLY convenient for trump if the Democratic party splinters rn

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Which is why, whatever happens, we're voting Blue, and reminding everyone else who wants to not live (or die) under a fascist regime to do the same.

But Biden's advantages of a proven track record, incumbency, and massive name recognition, simply may not outweigh the damage anymore. The perception of his decline is severe, and there may be some truth to it - it's certainly not a reputation he's going to shed in the next five months.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Democrats will vote for a blue pet rock. The point is to get someone that independents will vote for. And if both candidates are a bunch of old cooters that keep mixing up names, they'll stay home or vote third party.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah. He needs to be replaced at this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The perception of his decline is severe, and there may be some truth to it - it’s certainly not a reputation he’s going to shed in the next five months.

Which even if true, is just absurdist considering his opponent can't even finish a sentence without switching to a new topic and turning a statement into word salad. 2024 is freaking cursed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

... yeah. We live in a kafkaesque nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Look, Biden should fuck off, but I’ll vote D no matter what, and there’s a lot of people who share my inclinations.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, but things might get ugly fast and that leaves an opening for trump

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Lets just all agree that if you plan to vote blue no matter who then you're not the target audience.

If the Democrats want to generate enthusiasm for the election then all they have to do is start making promises that appeal to the undecideds.

It's easy, just send Israel's arms shipments and financial support to Ukraine instead.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would be AWFULLY convenient for trump

Would also be convenient for him if the Dems stick with Biden.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Dem chance at a clean change from Biden to a younger option was last year, not 4 months prior, at least not with how the antiquated US election system works. Changing it now is fucking stupid, the table has been set. People are calling to flip the table because somehow they're just now realizing that old people are old. This is what the Dem leadership has created, and regardless of their second guessing now it's what we need to live with.

Just another in a long running series of stupid decisions by Dem leadership over the last 30 years, always shooting themselves in the foot and assuming people will still vote for them. With middling success every time, yet never learning anything because the same old fucks are still running it all somehow.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

4 months should be enough time still, IMO

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Enough time for what? There's no way to put together another primary. So who in the Democratic party gets to play kingmaker?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

So who in the Democratic party gets to play kingmaker?

The same party insiders who've played kingmaker during the last two primaries

[–] ilovededyoupiggy 7 points 4 months ago

Pretty fuckin scary just how literal that word is now, after the immunity ruling.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Idgaf. Let them pick a king and then I'll vote for him so we don't get Trump

[–] Mouselemming 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Just so we're clear, what if the king is a woman?

I would definitely vote for King Margo. "Ovary up, bitch."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I would absolutely vote for King Margo.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to vote blue regardless then your opinions on primary elections and the candidates can be safely ignored.

The people you're trying to reach will not vote blue no matter who. They need to be convinced, given enthusiasm rather than apathy and derision.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The people you're trying to reach will not vote blue no matter who. They need to be convinced, given enthusiasm rather than apathy and derision.

I mean, exactly. The people who need reaching aren't gonna vote for old man Biden, so swapping to literally anyone gives a better chance at beating Trump, and we don't have the luxury of time. A random choice will have some chance to attract those voters Biden won't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Agreed. Literally anyone else would increase the margin of undecideds.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you're going to complain about the DNC playing kingmaker, I hope you're equally outraged about Hillary's campaign being given financial control of the party before the 2016 primary, or Obama convincing multiple candidates to drop out and give Biden enough room to beat Bernie in 2020, or the DNC making the South Carolina primary the first on the calendar to sure up support for Biden in 2024. If that doesn't outrage you, you might consider the possibility that you don't actually care that the Democrats pick kings, just that your preferred candidate might not be crowned.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Oh, you don't like it?

How the fuck about that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

It would be their own fault when it happens, The Biden we are seeing now is the Biden that they've known about for the last 4 years. Yet they still pushed him to run for reelection and sent their minions out to social media to claim anyone pointing out his problems are either Russian bots, paid by Putin, or Republicans.