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Biden administration sets 50 miles per gallon fuel economy standard for 2031
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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Supposedly they want us all in EVs, but American manufacturers aren’t producing shit except for Tesla which are safety hazards, and they effectively banned Chinese competition that could have actually accomplished it. US car manufacturers will likely ignore these new standards by pushing more “light trucks” that are exempt.
Light trucks aren't exempt, but have a different standard. The article posted lacks a lot of detail. First off, 50 mpg is just the expected average given the mix of "light trucks" and cars. The actual standards are 65 mpg for cars and 45 mpg for "light trucks."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/07/climate/biden-mileage-electric-vehicles.html
So actually the light truck standard isn't far off of the 50 mpg figure this article inexplicably comes up with even though that's not the standard for either cars or light trucks under the new rules.
Heavy trucks and vans also are included in the policy with a greater percent increase than for cars and light trucks (though beginning from a lower floor).
Aptera, baybeeee.
Also, ev prices are way down and their efficiency is going to keep going up.
https://electrek.co/2024/04/18/ev-prices-down-18-last-year-drastic-price-cuts/
Prices for cars in general was at an all time high. Don't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining. They're still way overpriced.
You said the prices were too high, here is proof that the prices are coming down, almost 20% in a year.
You said American manufacturers aren't making cheaper EVs, this article talks about cheaper American EVs.
You cried that American EV manufacturers are going to try to trick their way around regulations, while apterra is making 400 to 1,000 mile range EVS with solar charging 40 mi a day, a very clear example of auto innovation.
Don't throw a tantrum because your complaints were so flimsy.
20% down after increasing overall for the last decade is not proof. You sound like some marketing manager telling me how the price of cereal has dropped by 20% afte you rose the price for the last 5 years by 300%...
No where did I say that ..
Yeah didn't say that either...and aptera is a tiny company that doesn't even have a final release on the car from their website... it's probably going to be vaporware just like most of these EVs that sport massive mileage claims.
Lol yeah I'm the one throwing the tantrum...you EV militants are hilarious.
Just an honest quick question. Do you hate on EV's because fox "news" tells you to?
I don't hate on EVs, I think they're great. The applications they have are for city drivers not for rural and long haul people or even people who live in apartments. They're getting there but right now isnt the time to try and push everyone to EVs forcefully.
Fair, I do think however, more people could use them but are falling for the propaganda. Apartment living could be an issue, especially if you can't charge it at your workplace. Almost anyone with a house though, could get one and likely benefit from it.
O absolutely, and I'm sure they'll continue to get better, but telling people who can't afford them or can't use them because of the lack of infrastructure where they live doesn't help drive the conversation in any meaningful way. Which unfortunately you can see from some of the replies towards me have been.
It's very clear you find hard evidence hilarious.
'Vaporware".
Don't use words you don't know the meaning of because you're embarrassed of being proved wrong.
Lol ok kid, please show me this ev that's in production and has been tested
That's what the entire article i provided is about. Don't blame other people because you never learned how to read.
You didn't provide an article on the magical ev you keep yapping on about. And as I said before you provided an article on how prices have dropped even though the last 5 years was just constantly raised prices. I'm not the child simping for a ev maker that has no products on the market or any real world data.
We got it, you don't like evidence, numbers or reading.
Noted.
So you can't provide anything that the car company you keep simping for is legit and has a car...got it.
You're wrong again!
But at least with you reiterating that you don't know how to read, nobody else has to bring up your sad fact.
Uhh ok kid.
Don't worry squirt, once you learn how those big scary books work, things won't seem so daunting.
Kk kid
You got it sport.
GM has the Bolt, and now the Silverado, Ford has the MachE and the Lightning, Dodge is catching up, mostly with Jeep of all brands.
The Jeep wrangler PHEV is the top selling hybrid. The bolt and MachE are pretty great and can be found on the used market with decent miles for an affordable amount. The Lightning is a fantastic truck, better in almost every way that matters than the cyber truck. The Silverado EV is just launching but seems very capable.
Ford is the number 2 EV seller behind Tesla. If you think American manufacturer aren’t producing shit, you’re just not looking.
The only EV I can find from an American brand that is in any way appealing is the Bolt. Everything else is a giant truck or SUV, and to be honest I don’t feel safe driving such a huge piece of metal, and I don’t have the money to justify buying one. No American options are affordable or reasonably sized. The US is doing EVs in possibly the most unsustainable way possible.
The MachE is the same size as the bolt and it’s rather affordable on the used market. It doesn’t feel like an SUV to drive and barely looks like one. If you don’t like the look, then you don’t like the look, but that doesn’t mean that American manufacturers “aren’t producing shit” it’s that they aren’t producing anything that fits your aesthetic. They will, because they will have to if they want to keep selling cars in California. Just going to take time to get more styles out there.
The MachE is nearly a third larger than the bolt by weight, an already large car, as well as being larger than the bolt in every physical dimension, even if not by much (except for length, where there’s a nearly 2 foot difference). I just want a small compact car with enough range to get me to work and back and run a few errands. In 2000 most cars were reasonable sizes even in the US, but today you can find anything reasonably sized new. I don’t want an SUV or a “crossover”. In other coutures like China these vehicles are being built, but US politicians would rather protect the profits of car companies producing these massive, inefficient, unsustainable monster trucks for people to take to the office and back.
Look at the Hyundais, ~300 mile range, 15 min battery charge, and they have a sedan and a cuv wagon thing. They are also some of the cheapest leases you can get, and dealers are overflowing with them. It's basically the EV wishlist, but for some reason I don't see many on the road.
Could you be more specific? I couldn’t find a single EV under $30k the cheapest one I could find on their website was $37.5k on their website. That’s not affordable, and 10k above where the bolt starts.
They are expensive to buy outright, but that's arguably a bad idea anyway due to the depreciation. They are leasing Ioniq 5 and 6 for less than $250/month and $200/month: https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/offers
It's cheaper than most of the gas cars in terms of cost to own over the period. If you want to buy. The Kona electric is $32,xxx
I’m not the kind of person that wants a new car always. I’d rather have a car that will last me 20 years. With that in mind, leasing is almost always much more expensive.
I'm not the kind of person who wants a new car always either. I have a 15 year old Acura with 200k on it. At $300/month, I no longer have gas or maintenance expenses, and I don't have to pump gas any more. Figuring in the cost savings, I figure I'm driving a $50k car around for around $100 month. Idk what will happen in 2027 when I give this thing back to them, but it definitely would have cost me more than $3600 in repairs over three years with a 200k mile Acura.
For American manufacturers, Chevy has the Bolt (next year), the Blazer, and the Equinox. Ford has the Mustang Mach E. Lucid has the Air and the Gravity.
The Apterra will also be available soon and that thing gets like 600 mile range. It's only a two seater though.
This isn't aimed at just American manufacturers (Tesla, GM, Ford) but all vehicles sold in the US. People always seem to resort to "American protectionism" and other falsehoods when discussing stuff like this or the proposed ban on Chinese EVs, but either miss or purposely ignore the rest of the market in the US. Nearly every company that sells here has at least one EV and many others have excellent fleet MPG like Toyota with all their hybrid options.
Sure, but with almost no exceptions, the popular cars with the worst mileage are American ones.
Most other rich countries have much more ambitious plans that include phasing out fossil fuel only cars COMPLETELY, and are able to do so because their politicians don't have to kowtow to the intertwined interests of their owner donors from Big Oil and Detroit.
Because it's NOT a falsehood. See above.
American vendors aren't producing more EVs because EVs don't have mass appeal. See the currently tanking EV market and crashing prices on these vehicles. The market clearly cannot bear mass adoption of EVs at this time because the buyers for all those EVs we were making don't exist.
Why? A mix of reasons. Poor infrastructure. Range anxiety in a car-centric nation. Total incompatibility with some lifestyles like apartment living at a place without a charger.
Half of all EVs cost >$54,000. Give us the $10,000 Chinese ones and they'll sell like hotcakes.
When there's that big of a difference in price, people can afford to put in chargers or take extra steps to make it work.
You've got that backwards: there's less people buying American EVs than there should because there aren't enough and cheap enough options from American companies.
Just about every other car maker on the planet has several popular EVs on offer, though, so they're shooting themselves in the foot long term to avoid the expense of pivoting short term.
Again, you're wrong. I suspect you're taking the bad build quality of Teslas specifically beginning to hurt their sales as a sign that all EVs are unviable. That's not reality.
Again, other way around: people WANT EVs, but American companies are hardly making any good ones available. Almost all other car makers are, though, at increasingly competitive prices too.