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Let's definitely not have either of those things.
What if we just had universal health care, rather than a massive suveillancr state
Nah. I'm ok with the gun database. We have one for cars. Firearms should be there too.
Yes, but let's do the gun one also.
CA has one. And they've already leaked the data to hackers, I think twice now. So if some tech savvy thieves wanted to target specific houses, now they have a list.
They didn't leak it to hackers, they straight up published it on their website.
Address, dl number, phone number, etc.
Plenty of victims of sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. legally acting to protect themselves were doxxed, not only to their abuser but anyone visiting the CA DOJ website.
Why would you target houses where there is a chance that the people living there may kill you?
Most burglaries are going to happen when the occupants aren't home. You won't see any gun stickers or 2nd amendment stickers on any of my vehicles or windows, no need to let anyone know what I own. Not that it matters, because the CA DoJ has a list with my name, address and all my registered firearms on it that they just put out into the world.
No thanks. My state already has a list and I'm pretty sure the feds do too, but let's not make it any easier on them in the event that we find ourselves in the "armed resistance" phase of fascism.
Just once Id like to meet a gun advocate that didn't day dream about hypothetical scenarios where they get to use them.
It's not just "the state" writ large that concerns me. If you've been paying any attention the last few years, you may have noticed a rising trend in right wing violence. Fascist paramilitary groups have become increasingly emboldened and are rarely held to any account by the state. Left wing paramilitary groups have historically had a different experience altogether. Are you one of those people who are genuinely concerned that this might be "the last election"? If so, why would you want to risk giving this kind of data to a Trump administration?
Howdy! I only daydream of scenarios where I no longer need to own them to feel safe from the rising fascism.
We use them all the time to hunt for food. However, the weirdos that think they can rise up against the state are something else.
What if it isn't the state so much as fascist militias that worry me the most? Is it ok to want weapons to defend myself and my friends from them?
Sure. Just make sure it's as tightly regulated as say, cars.
Imagine a future, maybe January of 2025 and we start seeing laws classifying trans (or gay) people as mentally ill. Gun confiscations affecting only "undesirables". People that actually really need those weapons for self defense. People that are harassed by ever emboldened fascist gangs. People the police treat dismissively at best.
I don't love guns, or even have them for their own sake, or because of some dusty parchment written by hypocrites. I would love to live in a world where nobody has guns, but holy shit do we not live in such a world right now. I would urge you to reconsider your political priorities before you go harming (only) the people you probably want to help.
As a progressive in favor of responsible gun ownership, I stand by my point. Guns are fine. Regulation is good. The gangs you are worried about aren't going to be able to look up your registration. I'm from one of the most gun tootinest states.
Those gangs often have some membership overlap with local law enforcement, or at the very least, common ideological aims. I can easily imagine a scenario where a lefty trans journalist carries a pistol for good cause. This journalist is a target for local hate groups, who are buddies with local cops. Those cops could use a law like the one I mentioned to disarm this person, leaving them defenseless, and perhaps even informing the hate group of the change in status.
This is a hypothetical scenario, but one I don't see as far-fetched. I would have to say that in general however, I would still be against such a national registry even under less threatening circumstances. For one, I'm unsure how effective it would be in relation to the types of gun crime we see. For another, I just generally prefer that data (especially sensitive data) not be collected in bulk. Maybe a compromise and treat it like HIPAA data?
why do people still think they're going to do a goddamn thing against the us military with their tacticool ar15?
What did the French think they were going to do against the German military? Frankly I'd rather die in "The Resistance" than just be like "ok yeah cool, fascism!"
So why didn't you die in the resistance between 2016 and 2020?
Did we have a different 2016-2020? Where were the camps, tanks, and aforementioned resistance fighters? OH Myanmar? I don't live there.
I see, you're only joining in the resistance after the genocide begins.
After the resistance begins*? Yeah lol. Your suggestion that I be a lone wolf with a rifle v the US gov isn't "a resistance" and is instead just a mass shooting, and you know it. Quit pretending you're that dumb.
Got it. You're going to wait for someone else to revolt after the genocide starts and then you'll do it.
Oh my mistake, guess you're not pretending.
Iβm not pretending to be a hero, true.
I got news for you. The fascists already have the guns, and the 2nd amendment is just making it worse.