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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Part 2

What made them click moving from Christianity?

From as in where I started, not where I left. I’d still consider myself a Christian, just not a traditional Christian, and probably not a trinitarian. But I don’t know how one can be a nondualist and a trinitarian. Haha. Meister Eckhart got in a lot of trouble back in the day, and I’m sure that was part of it.

I'm sure eastern orthodox has such a tradition of thinking of Jesus as a flame within your heart, never being separate from him.

I like this metaphor!

Me, too! Linguistics was the other great love of my teen years, so it helps me to think in those terms.

Did you study any languages that you maintain today? What about Sanskrit for your religious interess.

That’s the thing, though, I don’t think there are that many radically different core beliefs. Even something as inherently dualistic as Gnosticism has nondualist branches. I think ultimately there is far more in common, at the core, than there is in difference. It’s the trappings, the metaphors and the explanations that differ. We use different stories to explain similar concepts, and we end up with radically different traditions, but the basic concepts are often very similar. I mean, I’m not suggesting they’re all identical or the same, or even that all different faiths or traditions are ultimately compatible, but that many, many, many of them are trying to say the same thing, it’s mainly the vessels that are change.

I think this is a good approach world religious harmony across the world :) I don't take this cosmological view because I think it's important for my practice but I can understand it.

Honestly, yeah, I am completely and totally bastardizing everything. Haha. I am well aware of it. But I also attempting to do so in a way involves actual academic study and a more fleshed out understanding of a tradition before going all shopping cart religion on it. I think that what we find when we do any kind in depth study on the philosophical side of most traditions, as opposed to the practical, lived side of things, is that most of traditions have had at least a few people who stumbled or found their way to the idea of nonduality, or something similar to it.

This is smart! Then you don't go down the hippie path of just making up your own thing without taking the traditions seriously.

From what I understand (which, again, not a lot) the buddhist concept of emptiness is also compared to the Advaitin idea of nonduality, just, obviously, nontheistic. Can you help me understand Emptiness? I’m at a bit of a loss on it, to be honest.

One of the main points of emptiness is that everything even the dharma is empty of intrinsic nature. Reading the heart sutra and the diamond sutra will explain it more clearly. The five senses are empty and there is no self, these are to emptiness based ideas. Everything arises from causes, conditions, and interdependence. Things do conventionally exist but not ultimately. Things have no ultimate existence. There is no deeper self.

Here is an interesting read on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81#Chinese_Buddhism There is a part on advaita!

Oh and I didn't say but I would just say I am a Mahayanist. Early on I would try to find a specific Buddhist identity but outside of cults and Japanese unique Buddhist history that's quite unique. All 84,000 dharma gates lead to the same dharma as is traditionally said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

May I ask how do you handle big and/or cosmological differences? Or do you focus on the advaita one’s? As far as big cosmological issues go, I really don’t handle them. Haha. I just sort of ignore things about gods or heavens and hells, and chalk them up to mostly metaphor, and the ways in which people try to understand the world around them, or the ways in which they try to impart wisdom to those who might not understand another method. I don’t know how literally I believe really anything, but especially issues like cyclical time, or Agni the deva of fire. Given what you’ve said, I’m assuming you probably also don’t take a literal view of the various gods, demons, heavens and hells that are present in a lot of Buddhist thought.

Where do you land on rebirth/reincarnation? Also, what branch of Buddhism do you practice?

Coming from Christianity, thinking there was only god, I was slow to adapt Buddhist cosmology. My current thinking is more orthodox. I think most cosmology makes sense to me. Also, Buddhism doesn't really make sense without rebirth. The whole issue is that death is not the end. If death is the end, Buddhism doesn't need to exist. Furthermore, while Christianity caused a lot of confusion as I began to question, Buddhist ideas such as impermanence, emptiness, and interdependence appear quite logical to me.

So, my personal idea of Brahman is less creator deity and more universal constant. If there is truly not-two, then all things are brahman, all things are in common. I don’t see brahman as a distinct, physical god, but as the collection of the entirety of existence. Pantheism, perhaps panentheism depending on the day.

I wonder how you would view this after reading further about emptiness?

From what I’ve read, I also quite like the three marks of existence (though I knew them as the Universal Truths) and the four noble truths. I don’t know as much about Buddhism as I’d like, though, and I need to learn more. It’s honestly just a weird fluke that I ended up with more knowledge of hinduism than of buddhism, considering how much more popular buddhism is in the states. I’ve always enjoyed learning about other traditions, especially ones that are very foreign to my current understanding. I had just come off a kick on Norse Paganism when I started reading about Advaita, and it just… clicked. Never really looked back. I hadn’t done the same with Buddhism because I mistakenly thought I knew what it was all about. Found out later I had very little understanding of Buddhism, and I’ve only just recently started really looking into it.

That's kind of how it happened with me for Buddhism!

Less that one is my core and I’m studying things around it, and more that I am trying to study as many as possible objectively, and attempting to find my own core. As current, Advaita is the closest I have to come to expressing what I have always believed internally, and consequently gives me a language to explain how I feel about the universe, and a framework to help understand things that I currently do not. I’m not dogmatic about it, though, and am willing to grow, adapt and change my views when new information or traditions are presented.

I like this way of looking at it. I also find Confucianism, Daoism, and Shintoism interesting but to me Buddhism makes the most sense and is my core too.

I have! They’re quite good. John Green is doing a religions series on Crash Course, and I’m spamming the comments on each episode asking him to do an episode specifically about nonduality. Haha

That sounds good. Thanks for sharing.

So, there’s nothing specific, for me, about having Shiva at center. It’s less about the image that people hold of the godhead, and more just another tradition attempting to explain nonduality, and the nuances of it that make it interesting. I use Advaita as a shorthand to explain what I believe, because, again, its quite close. But ultimately, its nonduality that is most essential, so just about any nondualist tradition is of interest to me. Kashmiri Shaivism and Advaita have a lot of difference… Most of which I don’t understand well enough to explain. Haha.

How would this nondualism relate to emptiness? In Buddhist emptiness everything is emptiness of ultimate form. Might consider this also a form of nondualism..

I will check out that book! It can be sort of… Disconcerting, realizing the difference between the religious texts or a philosophical tradition and the actual lived religion of the people. I remember when I made one of my first Hindu friends, and I was so excited to chat about nondualism, cyclical time, and other sort of deep cuts from people like Shankara and Ramakrishna. And they were like “I do pooja, and I don’t really think about it otherwise” And I realized Hindus were much like Christians in that regard. Haha. Probably the same for just about any religion outside of tiny cults.

Haha, that's a funny story. That's pretty much all my early Buddhist interactions as well. Expecting them to know some deep question but them just being like I read this sutra daily and that's it.

Plenty of the nondualists/advaitins I’ve spoken with do not really understand Brahman through the lens of a creator god. Brahman, to my understanding, isn’t generally viewed as a creator deity, but more as universal existence itself. The creator deity in Hinduism is (at least, in most branches) is Brahma, not Brahman. The Hindu trimurti is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. Brahma creates, Vishnu sustains, and Shiva destroys. But Brahma and Brahman are not the same thing, just a similar sounding word. There are two major concepts of Brahman, Saguna and Nirguna. Nirguna Brahman is the formless, atributeless, unexplainable, ineffable divine existence that permeates all. It is the paramatman, the soul from which all souls spring (though, even that kind languages implies a duality. Better to say the soul from which all souls appear to spring). Saguna Brahman is sort of like philosophical training wheels. Saguna Brahman is basically up to the believers choice. You can choose to imagine Saguna Brahman as Vishnu, or Shiva, or your own mother if you’re so inclined. It is simply an aspect of Brahman, the true Nirguna Brahman, that allows you to focus your mind until you are ready to understand the true nature of Brahman as Nirguna Brahman.

That's very interesting!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

That sounds not up my alley compared to Sichuan food, haha! That's interesting about baozi!

IDK your family, but the religious reasons is where they say oh monastics really eat meat.... My PhD studies are Chinese Buddhism, I would know haha. The once a year this is annoying. You can always say you're eating some medicine that you can't drink. No crazy drinkers there?

Last week I went with an uncle and his friends and they drank an absurd amount. I probably had 5 plus standard drinks of baijiu. Too much... I don't get the fun in too much.

If we are in Asia we always come but I haven't been back since COVID so this year is a big one for us. What about you? I hope to come annually in the future.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

That’s a good idea!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I was watching it too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Awesome achievement :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Good for you! I also drink less as it really is less enjoyable. I don’t think I’ve had that. I’ll have to look :) Yeah I’m the same, like the taste or the feeling in specific instances. Some uncles here have upwards of 500ml of baijiu. That’s just horrible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (7 children)

That’s fun they make it too :) Is your Henan food spicy or what? Never been!

I think pretty much every family member in China doesn’t really get it and frequently tells me I can in fact eat meat. They said, my PILs have cooked plenty of plantbased meals for me. Eating this way was a personal choice but I am also Buddhist. I also get a lot of comments telling me that monastics in China eat meat, which isn’t necessarily true, so why don’t I. Then I also get the silly questions saying well what about shrimp? Or fish? Or pork? lol more silly than pressured.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

congrats on 25 days! I stopped drinking too much in 2024 and also feel much better

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

lol what even were those!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I am in China. I can connect to my world, ml, lemmygrad, dbzer0, and slrflr accounts fine. IDK about this website people are connecting to check.

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