this is symptomatic of how genuinely subhuman American society at-large treats homeless people, even though it is trivial in American society to become homeless. one wrong bill, one bad week, or one day of being in the wrong place is enough--and yet it is completely accepted that something of that sort happening to you places you into a class unworthy of rights and basic services afforded to others. it's absurd!
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probably yeah; i do think it's a little US-centric for my liking and a little sparse on ideological content (i want it to be sort of agnostic overall, ideologically) so improvements from the crowd would also be helpful here
echoing most of the points made in here so far:
- if an admin is toxic, the best step is likely to defederate from their instance
- if a mod is toxic, the best step is likely to see if the instance will intervene and if not, the next best step is probably to vote with your feet and start somewhere else
since this is only incidentally related to Beehaw, i'm going to remove the post in here. you're welcome to repost it in [email protected] if you feel a need to, but i think the general consensus here is already pointing you in a certain direction and i don't know that you'll get novel answers with a repost
The best thing Beehaw can do along those lines is to have clear, comprehensive guidelines about defederation; enforce them consistently; and be ready to update them when unforeseen variations arise.
yeah, we're in a very early stage but already rethinking some of our priors here thanks to federation and the lack of granularity with tools we have at our disposal
I’d be interested to know if there’s a strategy in place to ensure there are no super moderators on Lemmy. Or at least, not on Beehaw.
speaking for Beehaw: mods are currently (for practical and purposeful reasons) only limited to one or two communities, so we're not worried about accumulation as on Reddit.
Is that an accurate understanding of the situation? If so, good to hear. Great to see landlord co-ops not getting any traction on further parasitizing communities
that's correct. Maine DSA got this on the ballot last year as part of a slate of reforms they wanted in the city and while most of the others failed, the one which established this cap passed with 57% of the vote!
without downvotes as a tool against crap like that, what have we got? is it against our instance’s “be nice” policy to tell nazi punks to fuck off?
nope! we're not going to ban for telling a TERF or nazi to eat shit or whatever. we as admins do try to be nice where possible, but you as a user really aren't obligated to be because that's dumb lol. you can also report it to us and in general we dispatch users who are like that as possible (although sidenote: if it's a post off-instance and you report it, unless the user is really, really bad we probably won't do anything immediately because we just can't keep an eye on every possible bad actor.)
the answer has been posted here a few times so i'll just add: this is just a design choice you can vibe with or not, and we don't take it personally if you don't vibe with it and leave the instance over it. the ability to vote with your feet as to what community you'd like to make your homebase is one of the key points of the fediverse, and we're not trying to be everyone's cup of tea here.
This can also go the same way for upvotes. If you have to put some thought into a disagreement you should do the same for agreement. So upvotes should be removed too so the platform just operates on voiced agreement or disagreement in the comments.
well, even if we wanted to do this we couldn't--it's not toggleable on our end. but if you want to get a simulacrum of this experience i believe that's essentially what turning off scores does, which you can do in your user settings.
So either way that icon has to be changed to be in compliance with the usage guidelines (@alyaza, @Gaywallet and @UrLogicFails ), since I believe the Beehaw-community does not want to infringe on such a point. I am also then not sure if @UrLogicFails can release the icon under a license as is done here, since the keyhole logo is trademarked (see the OSI Trademark Guidelines). See for instance how [email protected] has solved this. They use the icon with the ® symbol as well as attributing the OSI in the sidebar:
can now also speak on this point: we have an alternative in the works, ETA to its completion is tonight/tomorrow. given the short turnover we're expecting here i think we'll just leave the current icon in place for today--our backup and previous icon would infringe on the same principle in any case so it's just trading one icon issue for another, lol.
on this specific point (we're tackling the other, will report back on that one later--the previous icon for that community was one i didn't make so even if i wanted to i literally couldn't speak on it like i can with most of our previous ones lol):
I think the color palette of the community icons shouldn’t be restricted to only black and yellow, that makes everything “scream” as that is usually a color combination used to express a warning or announcement. I’m no graphic designer by trade, but I think colors should be used as a distinguishing feature between the instances commmunities, and less dramatic colors, so to speak. Having the icons have a hexagon shape should be enough to recognize them as Beehaw-communities, even if they have different color schemes.
aesthetics are not really a big consideration for us in general, because we're very much in function over form mode right now.
but, when the subject needs to be broached, we want to do that right. in this case we have to account for a lot of things with aesthetics here, including but not limited to:
- how our website is branded already and how to make it all mesh (bee theming has pretty specific associated colors);
- how to make things work for all lemmy themes (there are several we have to make all the icons work with);
- how to make them look good against each other (which is ultimately a consideration with no objective answers, so there's no way to please everyone);
- and how to make them as accessible and as unambiguous as possible for everybody within the constraints of those other points (which further limits the range of color choices we can work with; we also have to work with the accessibility limitations of the platform, which are numerous here to say the least.)
all this to say: there's really just not much wiggle room we have with the icons and their colors given those considerations, and there are other factors i'm no doubt failing to mention too. our previous icons were dichromatic black on white and very utilitarian/minimalist for a reason, and likewise these are pretty minimalist too.
there's also the consideration we'd now be asking someone to rip up all their work and basically start over, which we're pretty hesitant to do--not only because we've already paid them, but because the simple reality is we can't please everyone and i have no doubts we'd get similar critiques with more new icons and/or introduce new problems. at some point we just have to go with something and iterate on it, and as far as i'm concerned these kinds of critiques of the icons i can live with.
speaking as a user for a moment and not as an admin: i do think this is a good idea for the site and community as a whole, and i'd like for us to eventually be able to accommodate stuff like this.
but speaking as an admin and not a user: ...the main issue (besides specificity) is that we're grappling with how we can responsibly facilitate any kind of mental health-focused community on here. in our current position, i don't think we're capable of doing that, nor do i think we'll be able to any time soon. this is why we balked on anything closer to that space than [email protected] and [email protected], which we think mostly avoid what we're worried about. (even then, we have three mods covering the first and i regularly keep special eye on the second.)
you've probably noticed that we really care about making sure our community and everything about it exists responsibly and ethically--and that also applies here. there are very real, immediate harms that can be caused by irresponsibly moderated health and mental health spaces and we don't want that. but ensuring stuff like that doesn't happen takes a lot of work and we're just not in a place where we can do that work or promise we'll get around to it.
while we also appreciate that people out there would volunteer to moderate such spaces, we're also not in a place interpersonally where we can trust someone to watch over such a community. we'd ideally want legitimately qualified people to watch the space, and we just can't promise that kind of thing. this obviously isn't just a matter of pruning hate speech or getting correct information about how to take care of a plant--bad information in a (mental) health context can irreversibly harm or kill people. (and obviously there's potential threats of violence, self-harm, and/or suicide that are really opened up to being expressed in such communities that must be handled with care. we've been fortunate to not deal with something like this yet.)
all this to say: this something we want to be able to have on the site, but i hope everyone can understand why this is a thing we're not able to right now, and probably won't for awhile.