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I haven’t gone back since Apollo shut down, and not planning to, but I am curious.

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I'm jumping between Reddit and Lemmy. Some subreddits have all of their mods booted out (r/GoCommitDie and r/OpenAI are two I can think of). Some subreddits have decided to flag their subreddit as NSFW but are being threatened by Reddit to reverse that move, and many have returned to business as usual.

Let's face it. We've lost the API protest. All we can do now is make Lemmy popular and make it attractive to other users. Give people an incentive to actually join here. Our job here is not to make Lemmy a copy of Reddit. We need to make Lemmy different (in a good way!).

And here's an unpopular opinion: we need to make Lemmy easy to use and understand. If normies find Lemmy difficult to use or understand, then we're fucked.

My personal opinion is that normies might get confused by the fediverse and might be turned away by thinking they need to make an account on every single instance in order to participate in them. I am not proposing that we get rid of federation. What I am proposing is that we somehow make it clearer to everyone that all you really need is one account and you can get access to everywhere. I don't know how we can do this, but I'm sure there is someone who knows.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago

For the normies, I just saw someone recommend the wefwef app on reddit and now here I am.

It's 2023, people don't need to know how the fediverse works, they just need to know which app to install.

Content is nice. It feels like reddit of old.

This is going to be great.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm not really a normy, but the simple act of making an account is not obvious. With that barrier of entry, most people will simply never be able to join here.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm all for improving the user experience here on Lemmy.

But what I find not so appealing, is targeting mass adoption in a way that dumbs down the community we're building here.

As long as we just make Lemmy a great place to be, the right kind of people will keep joining.

Meta knows exactly what to do to bring a billion new users to a new social media site, and all you have to do is look at Threads to see the kind of community they are cultivating.

Lemmy does not, and never will, have the moderation power to contend with that many bad actors. I'm perfectly fine with Lemmy having a tiny learning curve to keep out the dregs.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean just having someone that has good real world UX skills (as in, good UX for normies) to redesign join.lemmy would probably already solve 90% of it.

I think account transfers is another thing what would help alleviate the pressure from choosing an instance.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We didn’t lose. Reddit lost us and will continue to lose.

Reddit offers nothing without its (human) users. They can chatGPT all the posts they want to try and look busy, but people are gonna notice the lack of original thoughts and leave. It will be slow and it won’t be complete, but it is happening.

Fediverse services need to lead with the “all” feed. People don’t want to be pressured to pick a server without knowing what’s on it or where everyone else is. When you go to reddit, the first thing you see is the r/all feed. The posts and content is what gets people to join.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My favorite thing over there right now is r/videos, which only allows text descriptions of the video you were going to post. It's way more entertaining than it has any right to be.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

How would I even access it without rif?

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

/r/all has top posts from very obscure subreddits now

My Frontpage has much much less churn.

As long as we keep making this place good and active, it will be attractive. With the increased spam bots and degraded moderation, people will start looking elsewhere

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What infuriates me are subs that act like nothing is happening. I can understand not wanting to get involved with drama but actively supporting the devs by pretending everything is fine is vile to me.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IMO the protests are having an effect. I haven't been on there for 2 days (full disclosure: was given 1 week suspension under dubious pretense while I was mass editing + deleting all my comments), but, before then there was a huge undercurrent support for the protests but a lot of outright hostile naive complaints regarding them. At this point it feels like the majority of those that are willing to leave have left, and the rest is a dumpster fire of increased hostility. Everyone is angry for seemingly ridiculous reasons. You can't post anything without somebody saying something absurdly contrarian within a day or 2. TBH I really think there's a 'instill anger' bot program (and its replicants) running amok now and the moderators can't (or are unwilling to) keep up with it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just went back to check something- I was given a permanent suspension last week with no explanation. Suddenly it's been reversed. Something weird as fuck is going on. Oh well, fuck them. They've lost a power user.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I read a post somewhere that really vibed with me. It said that they use Apollo and Reddit was just a backend. When Apollo died, Reddit did too for them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Boost just died for me a hour ago, and Reddit with it. So now I'm here.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I love the sound and view of a good trashfire, so I sometimes go look and see how hard it's burning.

So /r/madlads Mods did what madlads do: They made everyone a moderator just like /r/politicalhumor did from the beginning of the protest. I brought the idea up to the /r/pics mod just to let them know. Would be funny as hell.

Postwise, Bots started reposting content from 2-3 years ago, ChatGPT was spotted multiple times as a replying user and smaller subs returned to normal, but are slowly drowning in spambot posts or switched to approval-only due to the failing tools.

EDIT: A major antispambot on reddit closes down today by unbanning EVERY SINGLE SPAMBOT on reddit. Did I mention that I love watching things burn down?

To me it feels like the whole ordeal shook reddit quite a bit and made maybe the top 10% of the users drop out of the bucket this way, going to the Fediverse (flavors: lemmy, kbin, mastodon) as far as I can tell right now. Tildes and squabbles got some users, too, but IMHO those seem to be not doing well so far.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

They didn't unban all spam bots, they just aren't adding any more to the ban list.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm, i checked out the FP and a few of the subs I used to frequent. Front page seems to have more TikTok style crap than ever, like "guy gets punched!" or "someone makes annoying food!". Relationship advice: "get divorced!!".
City subs seem about the same as before. Medical subs I used to read seem about the same and holy shit, am I glad I'm not reading those every day. Same questions and memes that have been rotating through for like 5 years, and the confounding pattern where the community consensus on issues changes from week to week or post to post. One week it's "this term is offensive and I hate it" and 50 people are "YEAH! That's right!" and then the next, "don't you know about this term, it's perfectly valid" and 30 people are "YEAH! Use your brain if you have one broo!!". And the questions like "does anyone else with this condition suffer from these extremely common effects that are listed in every medical article about it?" So anyway whether reddit has gotten worse or not, seems like I was ready for something different.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, Spez is gonna learn what happens when you don't have free labor from the mods anymore. The janitor is not important until he fails to show up for work.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it's all ads and hate porn now. I saw people advocating for murder of delivery drivers and I had to drop out of that shat

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I never really realized how bad reddit slowly became until I've settled into lemmy/kbin, everything is mostly peaceful here (for now, maybe)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No joke there are chatgpt bots going around, even in smaller subreddits.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

The Finnish language r/Suomi is shut down so the Finn's have moved to the English language r/Finland, making it all confused with languages now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Reddit has made it easy now that my mobile apps are gone. Also, my main account got permananned on Tuesday apparently out of comment posted 5 years ago about spez. Also, a niche sub I followed was taken over by a Nazi when the historical mod got kicked out by reddit and now that's gone too.

Reddit has slipped into being irrelevant very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My main account got permabanned for "sexualization of minors" after I made a comment criticizing a guy talking about what he'd do to 4th graders. Sent an appeal... and got permabanned on ALL of my accounts for "recurring offense".

Maybe spez wants to turn all of Reddit into jailbait again.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit: "Someone reported a theft. What do you know?"

You: "Yes, I reported the theft. Here are the details of the perp."

Reddit: "When we turned up you were the only one here. You sound like you know a lot. You're under arrest for theft."

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Most subreddits are no longer private, but a lot of them are still protesting in various ways. If I were an advertiser viewing the chaos on Reddit, I'd hold off on buying ads there.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

R/cyberpunkgame turned NSFW since, you know, the game features such things as a dick slider for your character and fully rendered sex scenes with prostitutes, and reddit is hilariously trying to turn it back into being marked as SFW.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, I check reddit like once or twice in a day where I just check what on popular and on r/all for like 5 minutes on my desktop. Also to checkout r/OMSCS and that's about it. Lemmy is where I am at most of the time now lol. I used use the official app and its so garbage but it was so addicting for me to use before the Apollo drama. Now that addiction isn't quite there anymore and Lemmy hasn't been super addicting for me and I like this feeling a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Ah, yes, typical reddit addict having withdrawal syndrome.

Don't look back...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've only been back to visit a small, private sub, but I've seen a lot of posts here saying that a high percentage of bot content is obvious. The conjecture is that there's always been a lot of bots, but they were somewhat less obvious because there was more human content. With a lot of big content creators leaving, it's more apparent when a lot of posts and comments are from bots.

Plus some people think Reddit has increased bot usage to astroturf against the protests and to give the illusion that traffic isn't down.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I think the bot theory is accurate. 3rd party tools were critical for detecting and removing bot posts before.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I was wondering if what reddit did was on purpose to lower their pre-IPO valuation so insiders could get a better price before it goes public. After the IPO they entice people back with reasonable API policy and then they can demonstrate huge user growth to boost stock price... Nobody working with investors on preparing for an IPO is going to do something this stupid without major pushback from the investor advisors.

Watch this space...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Since so many decent folks have left Reddit, proportionally, there are more bigots now. I never log in anymore and when I am there it's to find something specific.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I only used Reddit for reading, haven't had an account in a long time. I checked r/all the past few days and it's had basically the same top stories every day. After seeing all the same things again today, I decided I'm not going back, just a waste of time. Any interesting happenings in the world are making it to my All/Top Active Lemmy RSS feed. Let's keep it up!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's be honest most of us were there for the plethora of niche pornography.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's not true. Quite a few of us are fine with basic, mainstream smut

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For the most part, business as usual, but I did notice that on tech subs, the average comments were a lot meaner and ruder than usual.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Deleted my 15 year old Reddit account yesterday. It’s the same shit over there as per usual.

There will be better things. I hope it’s here. I just worry once the corps realize a competitor what they’ll do to it. (Bots, law suits, what else?)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do not protest reddit. Boycott reddit for good and live in the lemmyverse.

If your lemmy instance gets unbearable, there will always be another lemmy instance to go to.

If you do use reddit, it should be to post and comment about lemmy to inform the current redditors to move to lemmyverse.

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