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Shocked and fearful Maine residents are keeping to their homes for a second night as hundreds of police and FBI agents search intently for Robert Card, a U.S.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ah, the country of the free, where a whole town is in lockdown just because one guy who shouldn't exercised his freedom of owning guns!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Don't forget the trillion dollar surveillance state that doesn't prevent 99% of mass shootings, and hasn't been able to track down this guy; probably after walking around with a tracking device in his pocket the last 24 hours...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

He's the "wrong" colour tho, that's why he surveillance isn't working properly /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Well, with the amount of time this has gone on, he could be just about anywhere East of the Mississippi at this point. Drive 8 hours away into the middle of nowhere, find a secluded house, kill the occupant and lie low for a few weeks.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Why aren't all the pro-gun people in Maine out hunting him with their cool guns? They promised to keep everyone safe from tyranny and crime, even pledging to give up their lives for it.

But not only are they not doing that, they're defending themselves with doors, the things they claimed couldn't keep you safe and even blamed for school shootings.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Makes sense. Shooter isn't using a "normal" AR-15, it's shooting .308 rounds which have a far greater range on them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-maine-shooting-suspect-says-mental-health-deteriorated-rapidly-rcna122353

"The weapon believed to have been used in the attack was a sniper rifle with .308 caliber bullets, and it was purchased legally this year, officials said."

In case you're wondering what difference that makes, a stock AR-15 is generally a .223 round.

https://www.ammoman.com/blog/223-vs-308-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

What's the difference aside from range, more power?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

From the source with the image:

55 Grain 223 FMJ Ammo
Average muzzle velocity – 2867 fps
Average muzzle energy – 1004 ft/lbs
Bullet drop at 500 yards – 75.02 inches

147 Grain 308 FMJ Ammo
Average muzzle velocity – 2672 fps
Average muzzle energy – 2330 ft/lbs
Bullet drop at 500 yards – 61.42 inches

Slower bullet, just barely, but 2x the energy.

Let's see if I can find a ballistics gel video:

https://youtu.be/-8dZxwz9NY4

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Checkout ballistic performance for 308

Here's 223

Look at the energy specifically. 308 is a 7.62mm wide projectile, compared to the 223,which is 5.56mm, meaning it's much bigger. Normal 223 you can buy is gonna be 55 gr (4 g) while 308 has a much wider range between 150 gr (10 g) to 180 gr (11.7 g). While 308 is only going 80% of the speed of 223, it's 3 times heavier.

308 energy: 2,718 ft⋅lbf (3,685 J) 223 energy: 1,265 ft⋅lbf (1,715 J) That's a little more than twice as much power.

TL;DR 308 is used for hunting animals like deer and other mid size game, most states in the US do not allow 223 to be used for hunting those types of animals (underpowered)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It means you've got someone on the loose with the capacity and mindset to absolutely twat people at a distance. See for reference the Washington Sniper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You mean the DC sniper who used a .223 AR-15?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It would be rough if he's already out of state and planning his next party

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Much bigger bullet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Cost, weight, size, terminal ballistics, noise/sound, availability...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Isn't that enough of a difference?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Huh? I know very little about weapons and wanted to know more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nothing in practical terms here. Range is irrelevant, this guy isn't shooting people from 800 yards away. Power is largely irrelevant...somewhat more trauma from a bullet wound in certain circumstances.

When talking about walking around murdering people the caliber of the rifle isn't important in the slightest. It's a rifle round, that's all you really need to know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That really isn't all that relevant, especially the range, this guy isn't lining up 300+ yd shots, he's spraying and praying.

Only real difference is a .308 will hit harder, and leave a bigger hole, so a shot that may just be a wound with a .223, could wind up lethal with a .308. But any bullet can kill a man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

In terms of a stay at home order though, yeah. He's a threat from cross town. It makes sense to tell people to stay inside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Difference? Victim of gun violence is dead vs. Victim of gun violence is dead?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Victim of gun violence dead from across the room vs victim of gun violence dead from 3 football fields away.

It makes sense to keep people indoors when they could likely never see the shooter.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Both rounds are deadly out to 1000 yards and beyond, get outta here with that crap. Whether it’s effective or not is irrelevant. You wouldn’t find me not taking cover if someone was shooting at my position with 5.56 800 yards away.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

🇺🇸 F R E E D O M 🦅

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