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[–] [email protected] 195 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Here's a possibly-controversial take, but joining the army isn't really even close to the best analogy for a male-dominated industry where you "sell your body".

Being a labourer is. Working in industries like construction, but not as a skilled tradesman. It doesn't carry the same moral weight riley was going for though.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

True, but it's not just about labor.

To join the US military you have to literally sign over your bodily autonomy to join. Once you do then they can pump you full of experimental drugs, or run whatever other ungodly experiments, all they want. I know someone who considered joining then backed out when this allegedly happened.

Anyway, never heard of Riley before but seems nice. Hope she supports our troops and offers military discount for her OnlyFans.

[–] Jax 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait, what?

I'm gonna need a source on that one my guy.

[–] CodeInvasion 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

By ungodly experiments, he means your typical round of vaccinations.

Also, there's a waiver for just about anything in the military. If there's an actual medical concern with vaccinations, then you can apply for a waiver. The problem is when people confuse an actual medical condition with a conspiracy theory they read on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By ungodly experiments, he means your typical round of vaccinations

I doubt that; more likely they were thinking along the lines of agent orange

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago

I was thinking more along the lines of the Bikini Atoll tests which included tens of thousands of people in the Navy but yeah.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

I assume this is what they're talking about: "Under the Defense Authorization Act, the President is authorized to waive the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act's (the act) informed consent requirements in military operations if the President finds that obtaining consent is infeasible or contrary to the best interests of recipients and on an additional ground that obtaining consent is contrary to national security interests."

https://www.fda.gov/science-research/clinical-trials-and-human-subject-protection/protection-human-subjects-informed-consent-exception-general-requirements#:~:text=Under%20the%20Defense%20Authorization%20Act,on%20an%20additional%20ground%20that

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Labourers sell their labour, but they effectively have bodily autonomy, they get to walk away if they want to. That's largely not true for hired murderers.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

I mean the joke in the military is literally you can't kill yourself because it's destruction of government property.

I agree with the point but you can tell your boss to fuck off and stop being a laborer whereas your ass gets thrown in prison if you decide you don't want somebody else fully in control of what you eat when you sleep where you live and who you kill.

Both are selling your body but one of them you can't decide to stop selling it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Any form of physical labour is selling your body sex work is selling your right to refuse sexual consent. I think that makes it a worse situation for the person doing the sex work than other work

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

If you are doing only fans or similar how are you not consenting? It's fully on your terms.

I doubt most people in the military would consent to getting their dick blown off by a mine if given the opportunity.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think if you look at it that way, you could also say working for the military is selling your right to a safe workplace. Like, a lot of other jobs (including sex work) can be dangerous, and often are due to a lack of care from those in power. But the military is necessarily dangerous by its very nature.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

yeah which is why I wouldn't join the army and would advise anyone not to

although sex workers are far more likely to experience PTSD than soldiers

also sex workers are substantially more likely to be killed in a violent attack than soldiers are at 112-225 per 100,000 for sex workers and 51 out of 100,000 for the branch of the army with the highest mortality rate so being a sex worker is more than twice as dangerous as being a soldier

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[–] funkless_eck 15 points 10 months ago

you still have consent during sex work.

I'd also add that even desk jobs are selling your body. All labor is. The brain and fingers are part of the body.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago (22 children)

What I hate with this is that is defines that the army itself is good or bad. But in reality it is what it is used for. If its actually used for defence, then it's very honorable. When it's used as a tool to exploit resources to the rich, (aka generally being the aggressor), it's not.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (38 children)

joining the army in the Imperial core will always be bad and make the troop/vet complicit in the countless deaths and destruction

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Even simpler than that. People trying to slot sex work/army/any job into “good/bad” columns aren’t worth your attention.

Except for health insurance CEOs, those definitely bad.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (30 children)

Yeah peaceful militaries like Korea's or China's or Cuba's are ok. Anyone joining the US military though if just in it for the war crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I would never compare, being a sex worker is obviously incredibly more honorable

But...saying that something is more honorable than something else is comparing them?

EDIT: to be clear, her point is absolutely valid. This isn't (to misquote a replier) "But I must find way for sex lady be dumb". Her actual point is spot-on. This particular linguistic evolution just feels weird to me - feels like the new "literally".

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"equate" is the correct word but we still knew what they meant.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

Besides it being a joke, fuck the troops. Fuck the troops. Fuck the troops. Fuck the troops.

That's all that matters about what they said

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I don't sell my body because nobody wants it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, don't say that. Everybody has parts that are desirable!

- organ traders

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How much Kool aid do you need to drink to think a soldiers job is "saving people"? Except for medics that's pretty much the opposite of the point.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I thought all American soldiers died far away from home so Americans can bake apple pie and sleep on red white and blue bed sheets.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

saw this one recently, old school shamers have no chance these days, just pack it up bro

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Tbf the bros probably knew what she was up to and just all took the win

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

thank you for your service 🤝

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Found out my work is getting a new chemical. The chemical is so volatile that if it splashes on you, it will potentially burn you into nothing.

I am fodder for the machines of industry.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Grabs popcorn, sorts by top, scrolls to bottom.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

I hope she makes tons of money.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

fidel-salute braver than the troops

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

If you work for a living, you're a prostitute - you're selling your physical and mental health just to survive no different than sex workers.

The term prostitute literally translates to "to offer up for sale" - and, guess what, that pretty much describes the entire working class.

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