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The mother of Shani Louk, a 22-year-old German national believed to have been kidnapped by Hamas fighters during the militant group's surprise attack on Israel on Saturday, said on Tuesday that her daughter is alive.

Louk, a tattoo artist, was attending the Tribe of Nova music festival in the plains of the Negev Desert near Urim, close to the Gaza Strip, on Saturday when Hamas fighters stormed the event. She's believed to have been seized by the militants and paraded through the streets in the back of a pick-up.

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On Tuesday, Louk's family announced they had proof that Louk—who grew up in Israel—was alive. German news website Blick reported that her mother said she was in a hospital in Gaza with serious head injuries.

"We now have more information that Shani is alive," her mother told television channel NTV, adding she received the information from unnamed Palestinian sources.

The mother added that Louk is seriously injured, and asked the German government for help and quick action.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While I'm glad some good news came out of this, can we maybe focus on the 1,600 other people that are missing or died during the Hamas attack? News media has this obsession over reporting on young white females in peril.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With almost non-stop negative news the past few days, some positive news seems very welcome thb.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She's in a hospital with severe head injuries. And as someone else pointed out, it's a Gaza hospital, there's no place in Gaza that's safe right now from Israel's response.

This isn't positive news, it's slightly less bad news.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Wait until you see what demographic Hamas kidnapped the most of.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reporting on brown, middle-eastern nationals? In a war in their own country? What is this woke bullshit?!

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Damn that really is surprising. I'm glad that she's alive. Hope that she can return home safe.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was it not her in the truck then? I thought the family had positively identified her by her tattoos.Though, you really can't see much of them in the video that went viral.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Either she was just unconscious or they are lying. But it seems pointless for the latter since they'd find out eventually, unless they plan on blaming her death on one of the bombs that are being dropped in Gaza. I guess we'll see if the family gets her back.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

So she is in a Gazan Hospital. The same Gazan hospitals that Israeli bombing has now overwhelmed and whose blockade is preventing humanitarian aid from entering. Hey maybe the UN was right in calling out that a total siege is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I wanted to say: not even israel would be stupid enough to let them die of thirst… but how much crazy shit happened these last 10 years? I don’t know, I hope not…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah Israel is exactly that crazy. They know they have the unconditional support of the west. They had the palestinians in an open air concentration camp for decades now and have committed countless war crimes against them and no one gave a shit. At this point they could unironically put arm bands on them and start shipping them off to gas chambers and the western sycophants would sing their praises still.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This is a big doubt. "Unnamed Palestinian sources" = Hamas propagandism.

We have all seen the video where Hamas proudly showcases her mangled lifeless body.

Wishful thinking from that poor mom who is being used to turn the narrative for Hamas when they realized Shani Louk was a german citizen.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't know what would be worse. If they did that grotesque parade with her corpse, or with her alive but in critical condition.

God. This is so unbelievably fucked up. I think I'd call it unrealistic, gratuitous violence if it happened in a fictional story.

I really have no other words. I had a history teacher who said that there was nothing more dangerous than a zealot. He was all too right.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (53 children)

Hope she's really alive, but her life will never be the same after these horrible events :(

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If you care about victims of rape, don’t spread that bs about “life being over” and other disheartening quotes that make them feel like a used up rag. If she survives, it’s cause for celebration, period.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody said anything about her being raped, and never said anything about her life being over. She was present during a mass-killing, was brutalized in the process, and she is now being held captive by a terrorist group. Even if Hamas wasn't raping their victims (which they absolutely are), living through this will, without a doubt, change the trajectory of a person's life.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

It blows my mind that there are people who think mental recovery from things like this is a simple, easy process. Imagine all the horrors of war without any of the training and purpose of cause that allow you to cope just a bit and most still suffer from severe PTSD from that. She just got more trauma crammed into one week than many will see in their entire lives, with more to come and maybe more previously we don't know about. Her life isn't over, and it could eventually be fine. But it will be different.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree with the point you’re making.

her life will never be the same after these horrible events

I don’t think this is the equivalent of saying life is over. It’s saying that if Shani Louk is alive it’s good news while also acknowledging that there has still been significant grievous harm caused to this young woman.

Her not being dead is not equivalent to no harm/no foul. Hamas still has responsibility for significant harm caused to Shani Louk.

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[–] Socsa 38 points 1 year ago

I'm more worried about the fact that she is very likely paralyzed to some degree and appears to have a hole in her head.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Did you actually read what you were responding to, or just have kneejerk reaction?

You're not wrong, but the person you are responding to didn't say any of those things.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Suggesting their life will never be the same is not equivalent to suggesting they are worthless. They didn't say "life being over"

Victims of rape will never be the same, as they will have a very traumatic event in their history. That event is of significance, not devaluation.

[–] Obsession 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You're the only one interpreting it like that.

Some trauma stays with you for life. No one's calling her a "used up rag," the reality is that she may continue to suffer from what happened for the rest of her life.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about ‘serious head injuries’? They can be pretty life changing and can end up in ‘life being over’ compared to normal…

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

German news website Blick

It's a Swiss news website ... blick.ch

edit: they fixed it

Swiss German-language news website Blick

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I feel like if Hamas knows what's good for them, they'll return any foreign nationals they have ASAP.

Beef with Israel is one thing, but "accidentally" kidnapping people from foreign countries you ostensibly want sympathy for is a bad move.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The thing is Israel has a very high rate of dual-nationals. A significant percentage of Israeli settlers are second or even first generation. So they either had a previous citizenship or are eligible for their parent's.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (14 children)

She looked pretty dead to me...

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Swiss here, Blick is known for low quality news. This "news" is only a claim from some unknown party. Very likely inaccurate or even plain wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope she is. The way her leg and arm looked in the video was disturbing to say the least.

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