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Joel Justice Womochil went by “@ictbaddad” on the social media platform now known as X, with a profile picture of “Pedobear,” prosecutors say.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why does the headline focus on the "incest"? It was child porn. I don't think it's even illegal to possess incest porn if it's consenting adults. This guy was into kiddie porn.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah what the fuck, I came in here expecting to argue in favor of this guy and his sister being allowed to do whatever as consenting adults.

This is straight up kiddie porn, who cares about the incest, wtf daily beast

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The article itself heavily focuses on the child porn, too. It only mentions the word incest 3 time, once at the top (the opening lines are typically a reiteration of the headline), and then twice in the same paragraph later on, but it mentions child porn numerous times. The writer clearly understood what the most significant thing was.

I think this is one of those cases where the writer submitted the article but the editor, for whatever dumb reason, altered the title. That's not unusual nowadays, editors will change titles for SEO and engagement purposes all the time, and I'll bet they're using LLM's to assist now. It's just that usually there's an obvious reason. Take an article one of your journalists wrote, give it a clickbait headline, hit submit. This is odd because it does the exact opposite.

I think the other comment has the right idea: there's a good change search and social media algorithms are hiding or dropping the rankings of titles that explicitly mention CSAM.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I agree and that's awful but right on brand for social media algorithms

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There has definitely been a trend in the media of downplaying CP and CSAM recently. I thought others were crazy when they said it, but after paying attention a bit, yeah, it's happening. My theory is that it is because of algorithms filtering stuff like that out.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Venn diagram of people who own media outlets, multi-millionaires and pedophiles is almost a perfect circle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is the real answer.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey kids, just a reminder: ACAB. Even if they're putting out copaganda on TikTok, it still applies. Don't trust em.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Kids is right. My 13-year-old is already fully aware.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Womochil became police chief in Burns, Kansas, a town of 250 people, in February 2022, and served until his sudden resignation in early August.

What is it with these small-town Kansas police chiefs?

Kansas police chief who led raid on small weekly newspaper has resigned, official says

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one becomes a cop in a small town with good intentions. It's just power-tripping assholes from day one. People can say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and maybe they're right - but malice is a no-speed-limit freeway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

As opposed to cops in major cities? City cops just have a larger network of corruption to hide behind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Where did he say as opposed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Cops in major cities have the occasional copaganda victim slip through, even if they generally don't last. Cops in small cities are probably the perfect spot between 'copaganda victim' and 'just looking for a job in this shit town', at least if one was going to take a guess on a broad and varied swathe of municipalities like that.

But in a small town, the fuck is a cop gonna do? If your town does have a problem with crime somehow, being a municipal cop isn't gonna cut it. If you were serious, you'd be looking to be a state trooper or some shit. If your town doesn't have a problem with crime, the fuck would you want to be a cop there for, assuming an idealist fallen to copaganda? To do nothing in your town of 250 people all day? That's not idealism, that's just looking for an easy job. Not like 100% bad, but it sure as shit ain't good intentions.

A cop in a small town, at best, is there for lack of a better job. Most cases, they're there because it allows them to play big man over all the yokels they grew up with.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Probably a place with little job competition so entry level sociopaths can score the job easy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

What is it with these police?

Fixed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In case anyone else misunderstood the title the guy wasn't producing incest videos himself but he had all kinds of underage and incest content on his electronics that he was exchanging with other pedos.

He was definitely doing some disgusting stuff but he wasn't physically abusing anyone as far as these charges are concerned, which is what I assumed based on the headline. It sounds like he hasn't had the chance to act on his perversions but he was actively looking for someone to abuse.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's no "misunderstanding", the title just straight up does not mention the child porn. Talk about burying the lede, damn

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Upvoted for lede. Don't let any dumbos tell you it's lead.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean, he did inquire some money about paying for access to some secret group chat, so he's totally funding people Raping kids for profit

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Title suggested he was trading. But either way it doesn’t matter. It is in part condoning physical abuse by providing a willful and consenting audience to it. Even if you’re not doing the act you’re still benefiting from an act doesn’t excuse you from partaking the dog pile.

A brain with a shred of ethics where something may have even been mis clicked online spots and terminates a non consensual interaction as to know that feeling that they provided some eyes to see it and regret having seen it. Eg: regretful search in google.

Where as a monster comes up with excuses to keep looking at it….such as an excuse like what you just provided.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where as a monster comes up with excuses to keep looking at it….such as an excuse like what you just provided.

I didn't excuse anything, I commented on what he's being accused of vs what the headline left open for interpretation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Even If you consume something(trading even if it’s not creating the footage yourself) that is contributing to the abuse required to make the thing. He was aware of the abuse. And he went on and benefitted from it anyways. So yes, he is accessory to the abuse that was imparted in making of the footage.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

It’s always the ones who you most suspect

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck? I looked at that title and thought there was no way I am reading this right, but yep I am.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, a large chunk of the porn these days is incest based. When I read the title I wondered why it was news.

The title is down playing it. It was child porn he was exchanging.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is incest porn illegal? I assumed it was child porn in the article. Seems like “step” incest porn is everywhere. Always thought it was pretty gross tbh. The “step” thing always seemed like a thinly veiled wink and nod type of thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Generally not. However in some contexts "incest" refers specifically to fathers raping their daughters

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You'd still call that child porn tho. Weird phrasing in the headline.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think they're trying to say that in some circumstances the "daughter" could be an adult. It would still be rape (in this example) but not child abuse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not in this instance though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Agreed. However, you did reply to a comment that specifically said "in some contexts".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Incestuous Child Abuse?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I know that incest itself is illegal in many places, so it's not a far stretch for actual incest porn to be illegal. I'd imagine it's a state by state thing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

I Googled the guy's Twitter handle and the third result is his account on a beastiality forum. Yikes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

“38 w male looking 4 that special girl that was raised right and wants 2 continue the tradition.... If u luv the little things In life message on Wire same name....”

This is coded language and it's fucking sick.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Like, ok, everyone has their kinks. Who am I to judge. But using, of all things, TWITTER to share porn? Wtf

Edit: ok it was child porn, much worse than incest. But my point generally stands. Why tf would anyone use twitter of all things to share illegal files?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

You may want to read more than the headline..

It's much worse than it sounds.

[–] andrew_bidlaw 3 points 10 months ago

Probably he didn't think he is in danger of being persecuted while being a cop? I wouldn't be surprised if he used his phone to register an account.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's just something about being a monster that makes people really good at social media and talking to others. Why the fuck is that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Police work attracts abusive people