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Hi. I wanted to know if it's needed to install a firewall on a linux desktop/laptop. Why yes or why no?

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If your computer is connected to a network, I don't see any downside of enabling a firewall. It's a good security layer to have and costs basically no resources to keep running.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess a downside is having to fiddle with it, allowing stuff you want to get through. Sometimes it blocks stuff you don't want blocked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd rather have to open up stuff my self then have an uninvited visitor doing it without me knowing about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Well sure, but I was commenting about the downsides

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

There is no reason not having a firewall

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and hopefully you will have one preinstalled, blocking all incoming connections.

An outbound firewall like Opensnitch or Portmaster is also nice. But here I would say often you dont need one. Balena Etcher was the only App loading Ads, at all. Firefox and Thunderbird can be hardened. The rest is okay and doesnt phone home, Flatpak permissions ard also great.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Balena Etcher shouldn't be loading ads. Where did you install it from?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Linux comes with a default firewall it's called IPtables/NFtables, Just make sure that it's on. Example I Ubuntu Sudo ufw enable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Actually it's Netfilter. IPTables is just a frontend.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Why not? It's comically easy to set up one.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you need a lock on the door of your place?

No, but it’s a damn good idea to protect whatever is in it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

That's a bad comparison. Without a lock you can just open the door from the outside.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Ironically enough if you do not know what a firewall actually does (and saying it "protects" against "stuff is NOT enough) IMHO you do need one. That being said unless you know what you are doing, better leave it to the default one with default settings.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (9 children)

On a laptop absolutely. My firewall on my laptop doesn't let me discriminate between networks so I'm always worried someone will try to attack me on public WiFi for the few ports I want open

On a desktop on a network you trust less important but still no firewall means if another device on your network gets compromised you're screwed

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because while I trust my device, I do not trust the Chromecast or the WAP to not be an asshole and fuck with things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You shouldn't trust your device. Modern software is insanely complicated, even netbsd had an rce.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Its always a good idea. I have a firewall on my laptop since I travel and connect to many different networks.

I don't run any services that would be broadcasting open ports but its always better to be safe

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

No, you don't. But it's also not necessarily a bad idea if it's not going to create issues for you.

Normally, a software package that wants to talk over IP and only wants to let local software communicate with it can listen only on loopback addresses (like 127.0.0.1). But I have definitely seen software packages that have defaulted to listening to the world (gpsd used to do this by default, for example, which would let anyone in the world who could talk to your machine see precisely where you were). Having a firewall makes the default to be secure -- you know that the default is not to be reachable, regardless of what some software author thinks is a good idea.

Most home systems these days are generally behind a NATting router, which effectively firewalls them against the outside world (though maybe IPv6 will change this), so they can't be directly reached from the outside anyway, unless a user has set up port forwarding on the router, the systems are effectively firewalled anyway, unless an attacker can get inside the network somehow.

It's one more thing that you're going to have to remember to deal with if you're installing software and troubleshooting network problems. You install software package X and it isn't reachable, you're going to have to figure out how to diagnose problems. As long as this isn't a problem for you...shrugs

I don't personally run firewalls on my desktops. But I have also, over the years, occasionally checked netstat -ntap and discovered that a service that I thought only listened locally was listening to the world, gpsd probably being the most-flagrant example.

If I were not behind a router, or if I were forwarding all ports to my system, I would be firewalling my desktop systems.

On a dedicated server, I'd be less worried, because I'm not normally installing tons of random software on the thing. If you aren't going to firewall it, though, be sure that you've checked to see what is listening on the server.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is no reason to not leverage a firewall. Plenty of browser based malware can breach your home router and call back out to allow an attacker to explore your network. Windows has included a firewall for over a decade and it's fine. You can with a single command enable Linux's built in firewall and be glad you did the bare minimum of cyber security.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I'd say if you plan on using it any public places, or if you don't have full control over all the computers/technology in your home network, it's a good idea to run one. It's a nice last resort should someone on the same lan have a piece of malicious software.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You most likely already have one installed, but not enabled. It doesn't harm anything (maybe you need to allow traffic to ssh or other configuration, but after that you're all set) and it's a layer of protection, specially if you need to move between networks (public wifi etc).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

On Mint the firewall is enabled by default. Setting up firewall rules is pretty easy though, so it's worth taking five minutes to read up on it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

No - If you are aware which programs open incoming ports. E.g. check with netstat -tulpe

Yes - If you want to make sure e.g. TCP port 22 or a webserver on 443 etc is only available from IP/Adapter xy. Or if you want to mess with filtering outgoing connections.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

A sane firewall configuration should have no/minimal impact on a desktop focused OS.

On the other hand, sometimes programs are really badly made and expect stupid things like there being no firewall.

You should have one yes, but to each their own.

I manage a bunch of windows computers and regularly make adding firewall rules part of install scripts, good example: Dreamweaver.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because you can forget what services are running and maybe they can be explited.

An example can be Syncthing which setting are done via web browser at port 8384. If you do not have a firewall, everyone on the same network would be able to change Syncthing settings and then sync your directories to their devices.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is syncthing listening on all addresses, or only loopback? A firewall would block it, sure, but that would also be bad design.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Very few people do, you probably don't need to worry about it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Eh, the router acts like one. I have no open ports. On a laptop you use on the go I would use a firewall tho.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you are only at home you don't need it because the router already has a firewall. But if you're is using public WiFi definitely use it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (8 children)

It depends on how much do you trust your router.

Some home routers have poor security: unfrequent updates, http (not https) web consoles, single factor authentication (password only, without username for instance).

Enabling your firewall is the bare minimum, costs nothing and it's a good security practice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It depends on how much do you trust your router

Your router and every single device connected to your local network.

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