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I just recently got into using a bike for commuting and I was wondering if this is a good way to secure my bike? I know, previously, people would recommend only needing to lock the back tire to a solid object, but I’ve seen videos of people easily cutting the back tire, breaking it and taking the frame/front tire. My method of locking is sort of similar, except I do lock around the splash guard. If this isn’t very secure, I’d have to get a longer ulock or chain, because there doesn’t appear to be an easy way for me to lock around the back tire, frame and solid object with my current ulock. Any suggestions are appreciated.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The front wheel is correct but I would move the D lock at the back. It is only round a wheel and a mudguard.

Your current method means the frame could be stolen by undoing the wheel bolts and lifting away. Can't see exactly how the mudguards are fixed and they might complicate it a bit but not much.

I'd suggest low on the seat tube just above the chain ring and then loop the cable round the front and back wheels and into the D lock.

Edit: forgot. Don't bother looping up through the seat like that. If they want to steal that with the cable there it's only two bolts. It's only one without the cable but if you were still worried you can get security seatpost bolts

[–] merde 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

they can't just undo some bolts and lift away, they have to cut either the wheel or the lock itself.

it's a safe method recommended by sheldon brown

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I second the part about not bothering looping up through the saddle. It would also give a bit more play with the cable allowing the D lock to be moved to a better position.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was always taught to lock around the wheel, frame, and whatever you’re locking to. Just two points leaves something vulnerable

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep this is how to do it.

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I don't understand, why is looping the cable through the seat a bad idea? Cable lock isn't much, I agree, but i figure it at least stops someone with just an Alan wrench from taking my seat post, and would also need a cable lock cutter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't need cable cutters. They can just undo one of the bolts holding the seat together, pull the cable out and then undo the seat post bolt to remove the seat. So all you've really done is have them undo an extra bolt. No need to cut the cable.

Keep more cable for securing both wheels and D lock frame to post. If they're really bothered about the seat get a security seat post bolt.

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago

Ah I see what you mean now.thanks for the info!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lot of good advice here, but I'll add that no lock is perfect. If someone wants your bike, they will take it. This is good enough to keep someone from walking away with your bike, but anyone with tools can break any bike lock on the market.

Just keep that in mind when you're spending time and energy, and especially money, protecting your bike. It's a very nice bike, but it is replaceable if the worst should happen.

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm hoping having locked like this when I go places is enough of a deterent to leave it alone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As others have said, U-lock through frame and rear wheel if possible. Otherwise not bad. I've also taken to using a motion detector alarm on my last bike packing trip.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MFBV7TW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can vouch for those alarms! I've got one on all of my bikes an e-scooters. If you've got a rear rack, you can mount it to the underside of the top rack deck, so it's harder to disable. But the alarm + 1 or two locks is a really good option to keep things secure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Corrected 🤗

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I don't know what bike theft is like in your area, but here in nl all bikes have a rear lock that's mounted to the bike like these to keep the rear wheel secure. In the big cities people also usually attach their bikes to solid objects using a chain through the frame and the front wheel. I would be more concerned about your lock- such string locks are very easy to cut through with a bolt cutter. My recommendation would be to get a strong chain link lock with a plastic sleeve. I'm sure you can find such locks online where you live.

[–] Grass 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a classy bike. Where I live you can't even leave your bike fully locked up though. I can bring my bike inside at my current job but I would drive otherwise.

Cordless angle grinder and a CD case of cutting wheels and the vast majority of locks can be cut like butter. Aluminum needs a different cutting disc and can explode the ones for steel. When considering the lock that has multiple metals to contaminate cutting wheels for an outdoor project, we tried cutting stacks of aluminum and stainless. It's an improvement but if someone has discs to swap for and familiarity with the tools and metals I'd say it could still be done under 15 minutes. If they are just druggies the mixed metal one could gum up the discs and take maybe up to 45 min if they don't realize they have the wrong tool config.

Hopefully your area doesn't have overly capable assholes though. Or maybe cops that are better than what we have.

[–] Habahnow 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you. I'm definitely not certain how bad thieves are in downtown LA. Overnight it's locked up inside with limited access, but if I want to take my bike somewhere, I'd hope i can leave it locked up for a while, and having it in a populated place locked like this would be a sufficient enough deterent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If the lock is long enough to put the wheel through it, it is usually also possible to include one of the seat stays as well.

Cutting both the wheel and a seat stay is possible, of course, but it severely devaluates the bicycle and also makes it unrideable so the thief can't use it to escape.

Locking the bike through the seat tube is not as good because the bike is still rideable after cutting through it.

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly the ulock doesn't fit through the seat stay because the seat stays are wider than the the rear tire. I wanted to lock through there but it's very difficult/impossible. Do you suggest I get a longer ulock?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think what you are doing is fine. No need for a different lock. Your current setup is better than most.

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the advice!

[–] merde 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

times have changed but sheldon's pages are still a relatively good source for bicycles

that thin cable is better than nothing and i too use it sometimes but you shouldn't trust it.

security of your bike depends on where you lock it more than how you lock it. Most of the time a uLock around the rear wheel through the frame is enough (even in paris!)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Looks good 👍

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This whole post is making me think of the hidden 6th song on The decemberists album 5 songs EP.

It starts off with, "I'm really sorry steven, your bicycles been stolen..."

[–] Habahnow 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nicely done. You're probably aware of the thin cable will only stop opportunist thieves, but it's still worthwhile if they are a local problem.

Pay no attention to the people telling you you should have locked the frame. As you probably know locking the wheel like that has locked the frame, and the only way to get the frame would be to destroy the rear wheel the drastically reduces the value to a thief. They'd angle grind the lock before they'd cut that wheel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lock that U lock around the frame of your bike, otherwise pretty good: They do sell bigger U locks, so it would be worth investing in one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As small as is usable is better with U locks. Larger ones can be jacked open easily. Locking the wheel like this means the frame is secure. It's topologically impossible to get the frame without destroying the rear wheel.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They aren't better if you can't fit them around your frame lol, that said, yeah it's ideal to use one they can't get a jack under.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But there is no practical benefit to including the frame because locking the wheel like this also secures the frame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does that secure the frame?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The wheel is much bigger than the triangle in the frame you would have to pull it through. You would have to cut the rim and tire, or theoretically bend and collapse the wheel, to get the frame away. And then you have a frame without a wheel to try to sell.

Before a thief destroys its value like that, they would get an angle grinder to the lock. Or more likely, move on and look for another bike.

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[–] cramola 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As has been mentioned, use your U lock to lock the frame. If you can include the wheel and the frame that's best but often needs a big U lock.

I recommend purchasing wheel security devices such as pinheads or pitlocks and then you don't really need to worry about locking your wheels so much

[–] Habahnow 1 points 1 year ago

Il be thinking about buying some pinheads, thank you