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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lemmy is the more mature platform, whilst kbin is newer and more feature rich.

What it amounts to is that kbin can do things that lemmy can't do, but the things that they both do, lemmy tends to do better. And as kbin is effectively in alpha at the moment, it doesn't have much documentation, making installation and configuration a challenge.

The biggest point of difference in features is that kbin is aware of other fediverse content in a way lemmy isn't. kbin and lemmy both talk to each other really well, but kbin also natively supports other types of fediverse groups (gup.pe, friendica and chirp). kbin also lets you see non threadiverse content, by attaching hashtags to groups. So if you set up say a cycling group on kbin, you can also make the group watch the #cycling tag, any any mastodon or other micoblogging content will appear on a special tab in your cycling group.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if you set up say a cycling group on kbin, you can also make the group watch the #cycling tag, any any mastodon or other micoblogging content will appear on a special tab in your cycling group.

Now that is a powerful feature. Great way to fill a feed with content too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that will have me switch eventually, but it sucks its php.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm hoping they add that feature to Lemmy soon enough and switching won't be necessary.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well I also wish the current lemmy fork wasn’t a genocide denying tankie so let’s see how that plays out. That makes me not want to code contribute to his fork.

[–] snota 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks, your post makes sense. Will Lemmy have the opportunity to adapt to do what kbin does that it can't, or is that a ground up change?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The hashtag watch feature would be trivial to implement. Properly implementing groups compatibility would be a bit more work though. I think it's mostly going to be a matter of competing priorities more than anything else

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ELI5? McDonald's and Burger King. One has a Big Mac, the other a Whopper. One has red and yellow, the other red and blue. Either way, you're getting a burger.

Oh, they're also right next to each other so you can wave to the people in Burger King from McDonald's and vice versa. Now everyone is enjoying burgers together.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Tacos = toots

yeah, that tracks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Relevant username I guess.

[–] concrete_baby 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Lemmy and kbin are two different forum software that can be installed and run on servers. Because both use the ActivityPub protocol, the content between them can be shared. So, a Lemmy user will be able to see content from a server running kbin, using Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

But how can I see kbin content from lemmy, I couldnt find an option yet. Also from kbin I cannot find lemmy communities

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There isn't an option, you can't even tell but you already have the kbin content.

You can't disable it.

The reason that's happening right now is because kbin is enacting ddos protection using cloudflare so they aren't federating properly, this is a temporary problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this only some kbin instances thing or all kbin instances thing? I'm fairly sure that fedia.io (/kbin instance) does not use cloudflare. But that would definitely explain why I'm struggling to search some instances that might use it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as i'm aware it's only the main kbin instance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

but (as far as i can tell) kbin is way more centralized than lemmy, so it has a large effect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

kbin being more centralized is just an unfortunate accident of timing. I was only first publicly released two months ago, and from what I understand there's still not much help available for starting up a new instance of your own, and the lone developer over there has been busy trying not to let the kbin.social server catch fire.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is due to Kbin using Cloudflare anti DDoS, which disallows Lemmy instances reaching it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That seems to go against the goal of federation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

It’s a matter of keeping kbin up at all at the moment. The rapid growth in users following Reddit's ongoing suicide has overloaded the instance. It’s a temporary measure that Ernest will turn off when additional resources can be obtained. He is not a fan of losing federation either.

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[–] concrete_baby 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To see Lemmy content on kbin, just add the full address of the Lemmy instance to the end of the kbin URL. For example, https://kbin.social/m/[email protected] lets you see content from [email protected] on https://kbin.social.

The other way round should also work (ie. to see kbin content on Lemmy), but for some reason it's not working on major Lemmy instances for me, even though they are federated to kbin.social and other kbin instances.

[–] liontigerwings 4 points 1 year ago

Someone said the cloudflare protection is breaking that ability

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[–] danisth 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same here. I can actually see the Kbin communities when I search, but it is showing no content. Not sure what it looks like from the Kbin side.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

How do I find kbin communities and how do I add them to my Lemmy instance?

Is there a tutorial anywhere?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kbin is also written in PHP where as Lemmy in Rust, nuff said

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is that why KBin never works for me, but multiple Lemmy instances do? Lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Probably not the reason. Rust is just more systems level and performant than interpreted PHP

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Also Lemmy has been kicking around as a hobby project for a couple years. kbin.social, the flagship kbin instance, was first opened in April. They haven't even made tools for starting new instances easily yet, and went from a few hundred users to tens of thousands of users basically overnight. It's a miracle that kbin.social is even still running at all.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It is the difference between nginx and apache: two pieces of software that do basically the same thing. With the exception of some naming conventions and UI differences, they are the same and both participate in the community in the same way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay, so think of every website that is part of the "Fediverse" (aka uses "ActivityPub") as just being different ways to display the exact same data. Sometimes their data works really well between two of them and sometimes it's a bit more awkward. Lemmy and Kbin are both trying to imitate the "forum-style" UI that Reddit uses, so they integrate really well with each other. Same data, slightly different UI. Mastodon, on the other hand is imitating Twitter. So trying to read Mastodon in Lemmy is like trying to read a Twitter feed as Reddit threads. It's messier. Kbin seems to be trying to find a way to better display Mastodon-style threads within their UI. Otherwise, I think the big picture way to understand the difference is just that it's a matter of UI and which one you prefer more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Effectively just two different methods to access the Fediverse. They each have different thought processes on how to do that, and both are at different stages in their development with kbin being the newest of the two.

I'm watching kbin's development as I really like its intended ability to interface directly with say Mastodon, but as its stands it's not quite their yet imo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Kbin’s built in php which makes it less attractive to contribute to imo

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Both kbin and lemmy utilize parts of the activitypub protocol - a generic way for different social media sites to talk to one another - to make a reddit-like functionality. This means that regardless of whether you are on a server which uses lemmy or kbin, they can access and use each other. The only real difference for users is going to be the UI and that kbin has also used activitypub to give its users some dedicated mircoblogging capabilities (think mastodon). My advice is: if you are only interested in a reddit-like experience then use the one with the UI and community you perfer, but if you want an all-in-one account (and are okay with the added complexity that comes with) kbin is closer to what you want.

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