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Republican efforts to impeach President Joe Biden suffered a blow after fresh evidence emerged showing his bid to remove Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in 2015 represented U.S. government policy.

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[–] [email protected] 351 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It’s almost like the whole thing is a politically motivated false impeachment to try to discredit Trump being impeached twice. They only want to impeach Biden because they can then point and say “Biden was impeached too, it means nothing”

[–] [email protected] 135 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Premeditated whataboutism. Because that’s a great use of resources to benefit the country.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Premeditated whataboutism. Because that’s a great use of resources to benefit the country.

This engine runs on bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

The only renewable resource Republicans care about.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh just wait til you see how they allocate those resources if they ever fully seize power again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We made the government too expensive so we have added middle men to all the formerly public services. This will surely reduce costs and not directly line our pockets.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Public private partnership pilfering.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not just premeditated; more like engineered.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

buttery males

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

It's a bit more urgent than that: The GOP knows they're about to lose their majority in the house so this is the only chance they'll get to do something like an impeachment. If they put it off any longer they'll run out of time while the investigation committee follows a normal (intentionally slowed by opposition) congressional schedule. They know that the whole exercise will be pointless if they can't get it done now because doing it any later will result in the investigation committee having nothing to report in time for the next election.

More importantly: They have no other ideas. They literally have no other bills or even inklings of an idea as to how to grab America's attention in anything resembling a positive or even neutral light. They lost abortion as a wedge issue now that Roe V Wade was overturned so the GOP is basically out of ideas because while they love to hate immigrants and LGBTQ people they don't have any politically useful legislation to bring up before the next election. Nothing they can pass to say, "see? We did something and the Democrats in the Senate blocked it!"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they're loading up every spending bill they can with bans for trans care.
From Erin Reed:

One of the many sticking points are provisions in the budget bill that target trans people in the military, hospitals that care for trans youth, trans health insurance, and VA trans care.

Republicans will down the government, in at least some small part, over trans panic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

And the military, thanks to Tooberville

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

All the GOP knows how to do is stroke Trump's pathetic ego.

Well, that, and their date while watching a musical, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 163 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It cant fall apart, cause it never had any structure to begin with. It was a pile of bullshit from the very beginning.

Its all political theater to try to make Biden look as corrupt as Trump, and in desperation to find anything that will stick before the next election cycle.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't even need to make him look corrupt, it reinforces "impeachment is just political theater" and makes Trump's impeachment(s) retroactively more normalized.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's a trick that Republicans can only use once, because if it succeeds they'll have tainted the idea of impeachment for a generation. They don't care because they're playing for all the marbles, trying to permanently cement one-party rule. Shit like this is one of the reasons why I call them the American Taliban without a trace of irony.

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[–] jballs 96 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Link to the document .

I'm always a big fan of primary sources to avoid any political spin. Looking at this doc it's 100% clear that the State department was calling for Shokin's removal and was instructing Biden on how to frame the conversation. Seems pretty clear cut.

With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

they've never been the kind of folks who let evidence and facts get in the way

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago

Not just US interests, but European and Ukrainian interests as well. There was a multi-national effort to remove Shokin. You think Joe Biden orchestrated all of that to get his son a cushy board membership? It's laughable.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (1 children)

GOP: Let's impeach the government then!

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So anyway I started impeachin'

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Go away, peachin’

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Of course it would. This is simply just retaliation from the GOP because their glorious former "leader" was impeached like, twice.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Trump would probably turn around and say that he was impeached more times than Joe.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is immediately obvious to anyone who followed the timeline of events.

Removing Shokin didn't STOP the Burisma investigation. It allowed it to move forward! Shokin was the guy slow-walking it.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

Just irrelevant details to people who were never looking for the truth in the first place

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I spent MONTHS saying that on every subreddit I could find. It's baffling to me why that never sunk in with even the casual observers of Trump's impeachment. It's like putting a spoon full of food in a toddler's mouth and watching it ooze out because they still don't even realize it's there.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter, Fox has their ~~talking~~ yelling point. That's all they ever wanted.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Their idiot viewers will take this as a continuation of a massive conspiracy against trump. Either way, this will still be a victory for the GQP at large. It’s impossible to reason with those that argue in bad faith.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

“suffered a blow”

boebert still on board

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The entire Freedumb Caucus is still on board. The "shocking" revelation that Biden hasn't committed any impeachable acts isn't going to deter the GQP at all.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (7 children)

She's stongest on her knees, or so she says.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Dear Republicans: how does Democracy's dick taste?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago

This isn't new information. It was already well-understood and discussed that Biden was simply following State Dept. directives on this and that it had nothing to do with Hunter or even his own preferences.

It also isn't a blow to the impeachment at all. They'll likely follow through anyway even if there is literally no probable cause. Even if there isn't even a pretend crime to name. Because there's one huge similarity between the Trump impeachments and the Biden impeachment: the basis is that Republicans are scofflaws that will do whatever they want to get what they want.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Come on, now. This whole thing reeks of desperation and petty grudge.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

It falling apart would require it ever having built up. There was nothing to fall apart here.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They’re going to move forward with it. This has nothing to do with facts. It’s all about using impeachment to gain a political leg up if you have the votes.

The Fox and OAN viewers will be sheltered from the facts.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The House Oversight Committee will hold the first hearing on the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden on Sept. 28, CNBC reports.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Democrats should turn it into a circus and spend the whole hearing mocking Jordan over locker rooms / Gaetz over pool boys / etc; if they end up getting kicked out of the room or even censured, they can high-five each other and laugh it off. There's no reason to treat a cheap political stunt with anything resembling respect or seriousness.

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