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This is a followup to @[email protected] 's recent thread for completeness' sake.

I'll state an old classic that is seen as a genre defining game because it is: Myst. Yes, it redefined the genre... in ways I fucking hated and that the adventure game genre took decades to fully recover from. It was a pompous mess in its presentation and was the worst kind of "doing action does vague thing or nothing at all, where is your hint book" puzzle gameplay wrapped in graphical hype which ages pretty poorly as far as appeal qualities go.

So many adventure games tried to be Myst afterward that the sheer budgetary costs and redundancy of the also-rans crashed the adventure game genre for years.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Tears of the Kingdom took like 3 years of dev time to add a mechanic that fits a zelda game horribly, while fixing none of the flaws of Breath of The Wild.. and the mechanic they added is extremely frustrating and takes forever to use even if it's interesting

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do you have to jiggle the control stick in order to detach parts from constructs. Why not just have a dedicated button. Why include an intentionally unpleasant and sadistic game mechanic like that. Why

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Some people may say your name checks out because the Zeldarino games can do no wrong to them, but as for me, I'm like eric-andre

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bioshock Infinite is one of the worst games I've ever played in comparison to how well it was received. The gameplay was shit. The enemies are all bullet sponges. The plot is about how Ken Levine doesn't understand the sci-fi concept of parallel universes at all and when slaves violently rebel they are as bad as the people who enslaved them. You can upgrade your weapons but you will use whichever one happens to be nearby since ammo is so scarce except when Elizabeth magically manifests some to throw to you. Songbird is a creature that screams WE WILL HAVE A BIG BOSS FIGHT and it never comes. It's awful.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bioshock Infinite is one of the worst games I've ever played in comparison to how well it was received.

I thought it was notably disliked by most fans of the previous games.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (16 children)

i don't like any of the soulsbourne series
the controls felt godawful on both mouse and keyboard and controller
and i like hard games too, so it's a shame

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. I like my controls to be snappy and responsive, and Dark Souls... was not that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I agree, and I'm sure you can relate to this but I'm afraid to say so around other game devs.

A counter example to the series I always give is that I really love pretty much all Mega Man games, almost all of which are considered very difficult like Souls games are, but the controls are snappy, the UI is clean, and you always know what you're doing, or at least trying to do ~~except for Battle Network holy shit the backtracking is brutal~~

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Horizon Zero Dawn. Might be a good game series but It didnt catch me. Im also sure I enjoyed the Last of Us more as a show then as a game. Then again I have to admit these arent the kinds of games I really enjoy anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Borderlands. It’s just peak Reddit brain writing tacked onto a looter shooter (yay, thousands of completely identical guns with varying amounts of + 5% crit dmg) and bullet sponge enemies.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think it really was a product of the times. The looter shooter was fairly novel and you can see how that affect of banter w/e you wanna call it really aged badly in bl2 and 3

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

RDR 2 is like 3 or 4 great games rolled into one and all negating each other. The story is enjoyable enough with some depth and it's ruined by half of it being told through interactive cutscenes where you have to press W but if you don't magically follow the perfect path it fucks up the pacing.

It has a beautilly crafted open world with mechanics and side-activities, none of which do anything useful for the rest of it or have enough depth to stand on their own and a mission design that straight up fails you if you don't take the 1 path the developers want you to take.

It is a survival game, except set in the big rock candy mountains considering how much loot and money is just laying around.

It's basically The Homer, as a videogame

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

opening this thread to find my favorite games and getting mad that I found them youre-awful jokah-messy

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Baldur's Gate 3. It's just not a fun game: D&D is mechanically bad and doesn't work at all for a video game that doesn't have a GM on hand to paper over all the serious problems with it, the controls and interface are janky as hell and the camera aggressively fights you, and however much detail they put into it I just couldn't care at all because it's all just bland forgotten realms slop.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Really any David Cage game. The dues a hack, but he gets hyped to hell and back and everybody is so impressed by his games. They always get high scores initially and then just get relegated to mockery after a month or two

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. I hate David Cage games and that came before I knew what a kiddie-creeping sex pest he was.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate how he always breaks thru to the mainstream and then some hack journo that hasn't ever done an honest day's work in their life has to talk about this revolutionary game that has different endings and voice acting and dynamic environments and a good story for the first time in gaming history ever, despite the game never actually having the things they claim it does, and those things not actually being revolutionairy.
It highlights how bad our journalists are, because it just shows how little research they do on a story.

"Game overs are a failure of the game designer" THEN WHY AM I GETTING SO MANY GAME OVERS IN YOUR GAME DAVID CAEGE? AND WHY ARENT YOU CALLED OUT FOR IT?

Dude got fucking Willem Dafoe and Elliot Page in a game, and all he could think of was some hack bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Something about French "auteurs" creeps me out almost every time, and it's not just the kiddie creeping and sex pestery. It's the sheer pretension, the vague assumption of their greatness and genius excusing all the creepy shit.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

God of War. The one where has a son. Boring corridor game with too many upgrades

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I give critical support for Dad of Boy at least trying to do some character development, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Dark Souls is too hard for my tastes, as much as I want to just walk around the worlds and see them.

I have 0 interest in BotW, crafting stuff isnt for me. Just lemme find/earn the item.

Street Fighter isn't in my top tier fighting series.

Most point and click/old timey adventure games (like the aforementioned Myst) were boring to me.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I didn't much care for Hollow Knight. I don't think it's bad by any stretch, in fact I can see how it's probably amazing when you like the genre, but I got bored very quickly.

I'm just in this thread to fistfight anyone who dares say Undertale or, god forbid, Outer Wilds.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Doom Eternal. I guess I was expecting more of Doom 2016 but instead it was an abundance of arcade mechanics and parkour.

I also feel like the soundtrack was slightly worse than 2016.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It felt like it was railroading basic playstyle. You HAD to do a specific cycle of all the different moves that dropped ammo for the other moves and if you didn't run around in circles doing that you starved and died. In 2016 you could have a favorite weapon for instance.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bethesda games in general. Maybe I will give Morrowind another try eventually (only played like an hour) but my experience with the other ones discourages me greatly. Gameplay is boring, balancing is non existent ( you either steamroll or have to cheese encounters). People always point out the cool quests and lore but they are buried in a mountain of mediocre slop. Aesthetically, apart from Morrowind I find them really dull. I do give them props for the modding support tho, I've started playing the forgotten city and having a blast, and that was originally a Skyrim mod.

Also a link to the past. Maybe it's because it's the most "vanilla" Zelda ever got.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Oh I have OPINIONS.

Undertale is genuinely pretty shit tbh. The humor is okay now and again, the battle system, while I appreciate it trying something different, didn't work for me, and the pseudo-philosophical "u did the thing we designed the game to push you towards doing don't you feel bad u monster lolololol" thing was not remotely as original or deep as people pretended. Genuinely think its just the Homestuck connection that made that game popular. Music is a bop though, can't deny that.

The last 3rd or so of Elden Ring is also shit and I assume all the 10/10 game of the decade reviews never got that far. FromSoft is so far up its own "prepare to die" ass that they forget to make actually fun and fair games anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I thought Breath of the Wild was mid

Also, the grizzled white dude with gun games aren't really my thing. So anything from Rockstar, the Uncharted series, The Last of Us, etc

No shade to anyone that likes them, they just aren't for me. I tend to like over-the-top hammy stuff or baby games.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You dislike Half-Life 2 because it doesn't have regenerating health and superfluous crafting.

I dislike Half-Life 2 because you can't get lost in some giant labyrinth of a level in search for colored keycards.

We are not the same.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm also saying Baldur's Gate 3. The writing is juvenile, the combat is a slog, the characters are cliches, it retcons the story and characters of the game it's supposed to be a sequel to, it has possibly a worse UI than the original Baldur's Gate, and the famed reactivity and choice only works if you do things exactly how the developers intended you to do them. Oh, and the music is just forgettable.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The writing is juvenile, the combat is a slog, the characters are cliches

The authentic DnD experience

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

and the famed reactivity and choice only works if you do things exactly how the developers intended you to do them

Even after patches, a fair number of plot moments were missed/flubbed not because of bad choices but just "you should have done X first" timing jank. I never met the Zhentarim hideout people because I did other quests too much so I got an empty room after convincing the lookout to give me the key. ok

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Elden Ring. I really tried, but the complete absence of any serious scenario, world building, story or dialogue just made the game completely uninteresting to me. Mind you I never could get into Dark Souls either.

Also here is a link to the thread from Soros you mentioned

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fallout 4. Found the game super uninteresting and it had even more roleplaying mechanics gutted from it like Skyrim before it (didn't like Skyrim either, put about an hour into the game and never picked it up again).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think Skyrim without mods is generally unenjoyable and modded it's possibly the best game I've ever played.

I have no idea how to assess Skyrim because of these two things.

I almost view Skyrim like an incomplete engine that a good game can be built upon but I genuinely dislike the unmodded vanilla game.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

A mug that says “don’t play me until I’ve installed my 400+ modlist”

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

fallout new vegas

not because its bad, but because im bad at it and the mean scorpions always kill me

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like the concept of Doki Doki Literature Club but trying to play it resulted in endless clicking to skip through the text boxes to get something to happen. That video game format is not for me.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I have a lot of thoughts on Doki Doki Literature Club.

The game did not invent the concept of "Story that pretends to be about cute anime girls at the start turns into horror" by any stretch, nor did it invent "meta horror" where a game purposely crashes or whatever, but what sets DDLC apart from the others, in my opinion, is its underlying sincerity.

The premise of "Anime school girls in a horror game" often results in pandering too much to sadism, the characters just become bodies to be brutalized. The narrative becomes mean-spirited, and characters are made to be purposely shallow so the audience can enjoy the violence without feeling compassion for the victims. Don't get me wrong, my monkey brain can also appreciate a slasher movie every now and then, and it's definitely more enjoyable to see a bitchy, shallow mean girl get murdered than a nice, sweet girl with complex character motivations.

Doki Doki Literature Club very much does not do that. What sets it apart is not the horror aspect, but the cute anime VN dating sim parts of it. It has real, flawed characters that could absolutely work in a "normal" VN as romantic interests, and that is what's given it its longevity. The player is made to care about the characters and the misery that befalls them is not played for spectacle, but as the more or less authentic climax of their storylines.

I could go on a lot longer but the tl;dr is that to like DDLC, you have to like anime dating sims I guess. What makes it special is not the horror, but the sincerity with which it is written despite being a horror game. Doki Doki Literature Club Plus came out on Steam a few years ago and it features a bunch of bonus stories, and none of them includes any horror, it's just a selection of cute scenes of the 4 girls interacting at school.

The song that plays during the credits really encapsulates what I mean very well. Other writers would 100% give her more "crazy stalker gf" lines up until the very end, but this song is not at all like that. It's just sincere. Monika is allowed to be a real character with real feelings and a real conclusion to her arc, and that's what makes it work and what gave it its cultural impact.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Persona 5.

Probably the biggest investment by Atlus in a game; something like 5 years of active development, and nearly 10 separating it from the previous episode; a slew of audacious themes seldom approached by videogames, even less so by JRPGs, at its time, and all that for what? a Persona 3.75 whose writing falls apart before the end of the first arc (making a character say to an antagonist that he treats women like objects after a close-up shot of her jiggly boobs... talk about stupidly tone-deaf, and that's just the beginning), and whose gameplay is now even more dissonant than before from what the game clumsily attempts to say, because it's an imposed marketing constraint and not something thought out to be harmonious... That's a feat. Bravo Hashino.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Couldn't get into Elden Ring. I love Dark Souls and Sekiro, but adding the huge world just made things dull to me. It became too much of a grind rather than a cool experience to have. I don't really understand the hype around it.

I never liked CounterStrike. The entire game is walking into a courtyard and getting shot by someone I didn't even see.

I've never liked Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. The writing is incredibly goofy and it's just not as scary as it's hyped up to be. The pacing is dull and the puzzles are just tedious running back and forth. And before it's mentioned it's a game from 2002: it came out a month after the Resident Evil 1 remake, which is a masterpiece to this day. It also came out a year after Silent Hill 2 and the first Fatal Frame, both of which are still very effective at horror.

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