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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 11 months ago (18 children)

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.

Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.

Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

[–] [email protected] 118 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago

Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

Imagine all the hours spent. Utah has 104 legislators between their house and senate. If the bill was discussed on the floor for 10 minutes in each chamber, that’s 17 hours of human effort wasted. Now add in hours of deliberation in committee. Hours put in by staffers, by experts, by consultants, by lobbyists. That’s hundreds, if not over a thousand, hours spent on a ruining a JV sport for a single trans girl. What a ridiculous and disgusting waste.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But they're unscratched liberals! You won't like them when they're scratched! scared-fash

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago

Punch a fascist, and a liberal gives you a lecture on civility and violence, while downplaying civilian casualties of US drone strikes. maybe-later-honey

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (77 children)

adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”

[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago

Joe Biden owes me $600 and I don't even fuckin live there

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago

if we were supersoldiers we would have killed our masters already

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago (19 children)

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago

Ah the abortion playbook

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Hey now! As a Liberal I absolutely think a untrained trans athlete is comparable to a cis athlete who's honed their entire body for the sport and isn't going through HRT is comparable!!

Just because trans athletes have their muscle mass changed by HRT and are competing with a body that they are unfamiliar with in terms of limits and physical composition doesn't mean they don't have an arbitrary advantage I assume (read: made up) because I don't understand how HRT affects muscle mass or that i think education should be gatekeeped based on income, sports and academic ability.

Edit: to any libs lurking don't come at me with the whole fast release power vs endurance muscle composition of afab and amab athletes because it's wacky biological essentialism that doesn't apply to a trans athletes muscle composition.

Edit 2: this pisses me off because most of the athletes kicking up a fuss are white athletes who already accused black athletes of being trans or intersex because they dominate or "have higher testosterone levels" and they are salty af about just losing and trans athletes are an easy scapegoat.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

bridget-pride-stay-mad

Give them no quarter, hexbears and lemmygrads

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

The issue of whether or not Joe Biden should be beaten to death with a rusty shovel is 'complicated'

There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated - maybe he should just be shot, or have an anvil dropped on his head instead

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.

Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.

On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.

amerikkka trans-gun

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"A lot of people think." , says Biden admin after kidnapping hundreds of kids, sending them to work factory farms

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago

john-brown I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago

It's a complicated issue with a wide range of views, the Jewish Question. We want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against Jewish people. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I get soft on liberals, then I see them defend shit like this

America needs to be bombed to ash, and then occupied for a thousand years until no one even remembers it.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago

As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit stfu-terf

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