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[–] Susaga 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes you can. There might be consequences, but that will always be the case. If obeying orders breaks the law, and disobeying orders breaks the law, then you're a criminal either way. Might as well do what you agreed to do when you joined the military: risk your life to defend the constitution.

[–] Sineljora 2 points 2 days ago

“Risk your life” - yeah, and it’s not even that literally extreme. This isn’t the Imperial Guard.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Soldiers take an oath to the constitution, not the president, so all members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Source.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Watch the video, it's more complicated than that from a legal aspect.

This guy is on your side, but knows the law backwards and forward on the subject.

[–] Susaga 16 points 3 days ago

If the law disagrees, the law is wrong and should be broken. And if that leads to a punishment, just remember that someone is being ordered to punish you, and they can defy those orders too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

"I was only following orders" didn't work so well in Nuremberg.

[–] LazerDickMcCheese 3 points 2 days ago

UCMJ says otherwise. But in practice, I can tell you from experience that the consequences for any kind of refusal will be treated as mutiny and could cost you the rest of your professional life

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Somebody should show the Nuremberg judges this video

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's literally brought up in the video. Watch it before commenting.

[–] Darkcoffee 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah the guy is a lawyer and former army member himself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and former army member himself.

Marine Corp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not a positive either way imo

[–] Darkcoffee 2 points 22 hours ago

It's more that he knows what he's talking about, not that I think it's good or bad lol