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[–] [email protected] 20 points 21 hours ago

Given how this administration can't cover shit up to save their own asses, and given Trump's very negative perception by the public right now, if there was major evidence of widespread fraud someone would have come forward with it by now. Whether for the fame, the money, the book tours, or the warm fuzzy feeling of watching Trump's lackies go to prison. This was true when swiss-cheese-for-brains made his claims of election fraud in 2020, and it's still true now.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Listen if it’s true, but the democrats are not willing to fight the results, then i don’t care. At that point the cheated election becomes legitimate. And Democratic leaders are on their non intervention kick, probably either because they are complicit, or want to really rub it in to the disenfranchised voters that It voters the blue no matter who, or else it gets the tyrant again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There isn't a mechanism to recall the president over votes, and technically we didn't vote for anyone. The electoral college did that.

So for better or worse we are stuck with the current situation until their terms are up and are forced from office, or more direct action is taken.

What I hope happens is that steps are taken to prevent that in the future. As it benefits the party in power, it likely won't be fixed anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Can't you guys do people power? Like what the Philippines did to oust the last dictator?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sort of, but that requires our congress to get involved. Which currently mostly have a vested interest in not changing anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

And were probably complicit in being installed by this regime. They will do nothing and allow this to continue because if they keep pulling this off, they can never be voted out.

Edit fuck you autocorrect, were is a word.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Republicans cheated blatantly

Ignoring everything they probably did to voting machines that is currently being discussed in courts, we know for a fact that hundreds of democratic voting centers were called with bomb threats.

Current voting fraud court case https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391

Report of known election interference from 2024 https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/05/election-day-bomb-threats-tabulator-irregularities/

That alone probably fucked with tens to hundreds of thousands of votes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If Kamala never conceded we would have something.

Regretfully, Kamala could have had 99.9999% of the votes ... but if she concedes the race to Trump he wins. There may be laws or legislation to punish or impeach Trump and the Republicans, and the government (led by Trump and the Republicans) could choose to pursue them ... I somehow doubt they will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it works like that. We had a guy in my state who tried to drop out of a race after he was already on the ballot. He told the media he dropped out, didn't want the office, etc. When he won he changed his mind and they swore him in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

It does not legally work like that ... but it does work like that. Conceding is a tradition/courtesy, but it would be seen as an admission of losing by Republicans.

The Republicans took office. They would be the ones to take any action against Trump and Musk for cheating.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

How are we still in denial? Do we not see what our countrymen have become?

[–] TacoButtPlug 33 points 1 day ago

Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it's a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Yeah, there could well be some shenanigans, but as you say we need actual experts doing actual analysis. Spreading wild conspiracy theories does nothing to help anyone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you read the article? Relevant section below:

“Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”

The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.

We make a claim, claim inherently says there's no way to prove it, so just trust us.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

The article fails to explain how the UPS was connected to the server, or if they were at all. Most use USB and there is no indication that even if some elaborate thing to connect to a battery backup over starlink was used, you still have to break out of the HID in Windows, gain kernel level access, then modify machines, some of which are airgapped, and the databases in a way that not only hides external reporting as they alleged with Palantir, but also removes any records of the database transactions being modified. Maybe you could have a USBHID zero day that lets the battery backup escape mitigations built in like Data Execution Prevention in Windows, then you have a second zero day that lets you modify SQLite where the tabulations were kept, and somehow all of this was coordinated remotely. Who knows, maybe the battery backups have a network connection on them meant to prevent electrical surges, and can operate as a man in the middle for any network traffic passing to the internet or other local servers. Even better, they were able to connect to a Tripp Lite device over StarLink, which acted as a man in the middle attack while protecting the network connection from a power surge, and then this was used to interface with the Intel Management Engine or another BIOS level attack, and they got in that way.

So many options, and people can speculate all day. Proof is necessary and the voting machines and Tripp Lite devices are all still available to be audited. It's important to remember that there are powerful forces inside the U.S. and other countries that want to move people away from Democracy and voting. The best way to do this is to have a repeat of the election denial from the right to now be on the left. If that becomes standard behavior then it's game over for Democracy in the U.S.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.

[–] Jakeroxs 5 points 1 day ago

https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/the-people-and-groups-who-tried-to-disenfranchise-voters-in-2024/

At the very least they intentionally weaponized voting laws to get people kicked off the voting pool resulting it likely uncounted ballots.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I mean that's the issue, that's also why this case that's going on is so huge. There's so many statistical anomalies that it's nearly impossible that he won every battleground state.....but there's been no smoking gun. There's never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the 'hard receipts' your looking for in this court case

[–] gravitas_deficiency 3 points 22 hours ago

Also, it’s kinda fucking hard to get the receipts when a bunch of election officials were very possibly in on it. And the secretaries of state for said swing states might not be doing everything on the up-and-up (see: literally everything about how Brian Kemp - the current Governor of Georgia - orchestrated his own election).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also can we talk about how data even comes to be? Who tf is paying for all these “hard receipts”? Who’s doing the work, who’s analyzing it, who has the access to everything needed to even do the work? The information is obviously being obfuscated and destroyed, like people asking for “hard receipts” think US fascism actually keeps their receipts when no fascist government has ever allowed contradictory information to spread or even exist? People seem to both love data and refuse to accept it’s so easily hidden, destroyed and changed in such an opaque environment. The only time “hard receipts” ever exist is in a completely transparent and forthcoming environment. Honestly most of what we all believe has no “hard receipts” they’re just accepted because it looks and feels right and we have some “soft receipts” to prove to others our feelings are more feelings than theirs

Control over media is a tenant of fascism

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ITT: ChatGPT tells us only Republicans are allowed to question the legitimacy of elections

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Everyone's allowed to question the legitimacy. After 60 completed cases or so, let's reconvene.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, its fucking facts just like in 2000 they stole election then too. They rigged the election. This isn't the only article you can find on this. They have clear evidence unlike Trump claims.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was looking for that evidence, but all the report has are indications. Proof would mean there's messages that outline this plan, documents, audio recordings, the software backdoor used to kill the ballots anything like that.

I'm not saying it's a bad article, they provide good reasoning and the data looks really odd. Just until here it's a theory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This article might not show it, but the one I read had the receipts. The lawsuit shows that in a district where the Democratic Senator got all the votes but Harris got zero. That isn't normal and not how it works. The machines were rigged. Especially when they have voters in that sane district swearing they voted for her as well as that Senator.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thank you for the reply (and for engaging in meaningful conversation, which is a rarety on the internet). Could you share a link to that article? Not bc I doubt your word, I'm just genuinely curious

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I will see if I can find it, was a week ago.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems technically plausible, I'd like a group to try to simulate such an attack with the hardware pieces involved, implementing this in a proof-of-concept... let's see the Rockland hand recount as well and compare against official results. Until then it still sounds like a cuckooo conspiracy to me.

Things being where they are, and with how many MAGA supporters showed their true colours from brainwashing, at this point I would rather take the opportunity for the US to associate MAGA Republicanism with this dark time on the brink of fascism, than coast into mediocrity. It's a huge risk, but with the number of people united, coming together this weekend tells me there's a chance the people of America could come out stronger than their tyrannical President, spineless Congress and Supreme Court.

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