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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have no idea what order to read these posts in 😂

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I think it's middle, bottom, then top.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

And it’s doing all this by creating incredible amounts of CO2

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Luddites weren't replaced either though? Factories still needed labour and much of what the Luddites were rallying against was the idea of being pressed into prison-like factory work. Much of how gen AI is being applied is to deskill workers so they can be exploited more in much the same way that machines like the power loom was used to deskill textile workers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but Luddites were working with the current info, not hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

It wasn't just the replacement of jobs but also a drop in quality. Same as we see with AI.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I had always thought that the Luddites were anti-tech. I'm pretty sure that's what I was taught, decades ago. I found this article an interesting read on the topic. Hmm. Learn something most days.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it was a very effective piece of propaganda to the point that Luddite is an insult now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I don't know if you "could" be "anti tech" back then, sure they destroyed the latest invention (those automated sewing machines) but as far as I have understood it was more a "we have this, we want to continue earning money with it" and less against progress.

That have changed of course, and today Luddite is synonym to being against new technology.

Which, in my opinion, isn't much better. It feels like those conservatives (not the usa ones) who just not want to adapt for any reason.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

One of my fav blogs; https://theluddite.org/?tag=%2Fhome

I came across it during a similar exposé where Luddite!=anti technology as is commonly misunderstood.

[–] mindbleach 1 points 2 days ago

... do y'all think GPT would run out of words, if they didn't keep feeding it?

The big innovations are goofy shit like hand-waving complexity for R1's intermediate stages... or prompting the spicy autocomplete with 'pretend you have an inner monologue.' Seriously. That's what "chain of thought" means, and it actually kinda works. Like how all image diffusion models are 'remove the pixels that don't look like Shrek.'

As the efficiency of training increases - and energy use gets worse, because of Jevons' paradox - we will see the vegan free-range public-domain models that people think they want. It'll get cheap enough that FOSS diehards will do it to prove a point. And folks, it's gonna do all the same shit, at roughly the concurrent state-of-the-art. You might have to provide an example as context - since Disney choking the public domain since 1928 means it won't know who Elvis is - but once it has a zillion-dimensional vector for how Elvis differs from its global average, it can work with that. Like how an illustrated character invented yesterday can be drawn by models from two years ago, so long as you describe their salient features.

Anyway:

Looms displaced skill - not labor. They still needed a massive workforce. But those workers could be attentive randos, or indeed children, instead of lifelong artisans. Per a recent argument: tools don't replace people. Tools don't do anything. People using new tools replace people using old tools.

I am a lifelong artisan in the field of software engineering, and if people can write software by describing its intent and then nitpicking what's wrong, that would be fucking incredible. That's what COBOL and BASIC were trying to do, seven decades ago. Letting any idiot write their own programs, at a professional level, is the undercurrent for half of computer science.

When things get easier, and rich pricks make life harder, do not get mad about things getting easier. The tools didn't fuck you. Tools don't do anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Many years ago, I learned the word "Luddite" from a Terminator novel (also where I learned the name "Lenin"!). I can't decide whether I feel this post supports or detracts from their use of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Good lord. Someone on an anti-AI forum indicating a vague understanding of the issue rather than just screeching incoherently?

Never thought I’d see it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

There is no reason to add the "anti-AI". Both sides of the argument have people who dont understand he topic and give terrible arguments.

I have seen more misunderstanding and ignoring of arguments on the pro-AI side, but more insulting the other side on the anti-AI side

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you have something to add, or do you just want to take a cheap shot at people who are critical of a thing you like?

Most people here have a better understanding of ai than ai consumers i know. I find this community to be anti ai, as big tech hype/marketing brand, not anti ai as a branch of programming that includes ML and efficient, well-scoped models.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

All hail King Ludd