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YSK Post Follow up: People Defended Ars Technica in my Previous Post, Here is a Proof That Ars Technica Parent Company Secretly Manipulate Reddit for Their Own Benefit. (programming.dev)
submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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My Previous Post (Read it first, as this post might not make sense to you, without reading the previous post first)

I saw a lot of people defending Ars Technica in my previous post. Here is a simple proof that they are an evil company:

ProPublica Posts:

Ars Technica post:

As it can be seen here, the original source of the info/Investigation was Propublica and even in terms of the story cover photo, Propublica used a custom cover.

Yet, despite all of that, as expected Reddit manipulated upvotes to boost the Ars Technica story and even deleted the second ProPublica story from Reddit.

Journalism will be fucked up, because of Condé Nast and their parent company manipulation.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m not seeing the evidence that you are claiming.

There are many reasons that unpaid volunteer mods delete content, including reposts, issues with the OP, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

ProPublica used Original custom made cover photo+ they did the whole investigation.

Ars Technica used stock photo and paraphrased some of the info.

Despite that, the undeleted ProPublica post got about 80 Upvotes in 3 hours. The Ars Technica one got about 120 in about 50 mins.

As I said before: The Ars Technica post is expected to hit the front page, while the ProPublica ones are expected to die, despite being the original source of the info.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

But doesn’t that possibly speak as much to people wanting to read something from a website with which they are more familiar with a more streamlined approach at providing the information?

There are plenty of features I see that run thousands of words that I don’t have time to read so I just catch a one or two paragraph summary posted somewhere else. Basically stealing the headline. It’s what journalism is now. Everyone just steals and uses it as clickbait. WhatsApp is on the top of YouTube suggestions for me even though I don’t subscribe

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think that shows what you say it does.

First, deleting a repost is clearly not evidence of any kind of bias.

Second, maybe Ars is just more popular/trusted? Maybe it's more upvoted because the Ars title is more meaningful, it's super well known that people mostly only read the title.

I'm not saying reddit isn't manipulating things, I'd be shocked if they weren't. But this isn't really evidence that they are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

First, deleting a repost is clearly not evidence of any kind of bias.

That is not a repost, this is an other article from ProPublica: https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-ai-tool-doge-veterans-affairs-contracts-sahil-lavingia

Second, maybe Ars is just more popular/trusted? Maybe it's more upvoted because the Ars title is more meaningful, it's super well known that people mostly only read the title.

Are you joking with me? They are using a paraphrased title.

I'm not saying reddit isn't manipulating things, I'd be shocked if they weren't. But this isn't really evidence that they are.

I am really curious, what sort of evidence you want/expect to see?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That is not a repost, this is an other article from ProPublica

Ah, I just assume that was a slightly different title for the same article. Maybe a mod made the same assumption.

Are you joking with me? They are using a paraphrased title.

Well, the first part is. But, I don't know what "munching" means. The second part of the Ars title actually says what it's about. Don't get me wrong, I can probably make a guess. But when you're scrolling social media, I don't think anyone is stopping to think about what a title really means. If it's not obvious at first glace most people are just scrolling by. The Ars title, at least to me, skims as "AI bad" since those are the words anchoring each end of the title, that's probably enough all by itself to get some people to upvote.

I am really curious, what sort of evidence you want/expect to see?

Literally anything vaguely conclusive. I'm not saying you should go find more evidence for me or anything. I'm just trying to explain why I don't find your evidence here convincing.

I suspect that Reddit has more than enough money to be competently shitty. So, if they are doing what you suggest, unless they fuck up or decide they don't care, you might not be able to find solid evidence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah. I have no idea what the article is about because I don’t know what munching is. But the ArsTechnica headline gives me more contextual info

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But this isn't really evidence that they are.

So what you meant was: this isn't enough evidence to change my mind. That is a very different statement. I think this doesn't prove anything but it does support op's previous claims Reddit boosts Ars Technica content.

This isn't showing Reddit is shitty, it is showing it is used by it's parent company to influence the media landscape. That is not just shitty, it is amoral and can be very dangerous when it comes to political pieces.

Tech companies are using media companies to shape the world to their liking, just like robber barrons and aristocrats used to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

So what you meant was: this isn’t enough evidence to change my mind.

No.

One thing getting more upvotes than another isn't somehow evidence that reddit is manipulating anything. There's no immutible law that the original source of something should naturally get more upvotes than anything else. I find that the opposite is most often the case, even when the re-blogged story is crap.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Did people defend them, or did bots defend them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That’s Sus. Ask the mod why the original was deleted?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Probably because it's off topic for the community

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago

In case it isn't clear, the Ars Technica post is expected to hit the front page, while the ProPublica ones are expected to die, despite being the original source of the info.