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[–] [email protected] 368 points 2 years ago (16 children)

“You’re in contempt of court. You have been fined $x and continued refusal to swear the oath will land you in prison until you do. Jackass.”

That’s what the judge does.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's really a process of letting the subpoenaed know that they either tell the truth, lie and face perjury charges, or refuse and face contempt or court charges. The latter can seemingly land you in jail in perpetuity. Because fuck you, I guess?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Does the "right to remain silent" still apply?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's mostly for police. Once you're in court and ordered to testify, the person talking about germany is mostly correct. You can't be forced to self-incriminate nor testify against a spouse. Otherwise yes. Generally 99% of courts won't bother even asking the defendant to testify because self-incrimination is practically guaranteed. Usually only if the defense calls on them, which is often a bad idea.

[–] EmoDuck 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Please state your name"

"I can't do that without incriminating myself"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Mr. Stealsalot,
We meet again

[–] newIdentity 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just talked about Germany because I didn't knew how it is in the US. Apparently it's exactly the same. Intresting comment

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What if you were coerced into testifying?

[–] Yondoza 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Then you plead the 5th. Pretty sure that's exactly what it's intended for.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

You mean by a court subpoena? If so then you testify or get found in contempt of court.

Or do you mean what if someone is threatened/blackmailed into giving false testimony? If that's the case then you should probably go to the police. If it's law enforcement who are coercing you then I suppose you could try to include that fact in the testimony, but there may not be much difference in that and refusing to comply with the blackmailer in the first place, in terms of your safety.

If you're coerced to lie under oath then I'd guess that still counts as perjury, but I doubt most judges would be mad at you for it; they'd shit fury all over whoever was coercing you.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If that's the best the judge can do, I feel sorry for them. And I will leave it at that.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

IDK, imprisoning a person until they either comply or the trial concludes without them seems pretty good for the judge. Bad for the person subpoenaed, but it's no skin of the judge's back

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"Anything you say can be used against you in court."

"Titties."

"..."

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

Held against you. It works much better with the proper wording.

[–] agamemnonymous 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Opportunity is not compulsion

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In the movies they always say "... can and will be used against you"

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The witness requests titties. Baliff, bring in "Big Mike"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

His name was Robert Paulson

[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If this happens they'll do the "A person who swears to tell the truth and nothing but the truth says what" ordeal. If that doesn't work they will just let you leave

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

JUDGES HATE THIS ONE TRICK!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wonder how many times it takes for a judge to get tired of sending you too jail for contempt over and over again for refusing to say yes. Lol

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My client has plead Oopsie Daisy, Your Honor. Case Dismissed (drops mic)

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Judge: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Me: Fuck. Here, I swore.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also contempt of court. Do not pass go.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ok, serious question: what is the course here? Can you be forced to swear?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

Generally speaking, you will be asked to swear or affirm that you are going to tell the truth, and that you understand the consequences of not telling the truth. Whether you do a whole ceremony about it or not, it doesn't really matter -- but the court will want to know that you are competent to testify truthfully and that you know that you're not allowed to testify to things you know aren't true.

If you're asking "can you be forced to testify?", the answer is "Yes but it depends." If you're competent to testify and the officers of the court deem your testimony important, they can subpoena your testimony. If you have a reason to contest it, you can -- but "I don't want to" isn't good enough.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Not really. This is about ability, not willingness.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't get to testify, I assume.

[–] newIdentity 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

But what if you don't want to testify in the first place?

In Germany you're forced to testify anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump: "Yes."

Normal brain World: "Liar!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Trump: "No"

GOP brain world: "In my experience, no means yes..."

[–] sangriaferret 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I once crossed off something I didn't like on a contract and the boss scolded me and put a fresh new one in front of me while printing out yet another one.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All contracts are negotiable, you did nothing wrong other than not having a conversation before wasting paper, the main issue is that for most people the negotiation is "if you want to work here you have to agree to all this."

But yeah reasonable accommodation and mutual understandings, etc, should be written down and signed. I challenged the non-disclosure agreement at my job once because it literally said I couldn't talk about my work with ANYONE, and a plain reading of it would mean I'd be unable to even talk to my boss about what I was supposed to be doing. It was poorly written and probably unenforceable. My boss didn't like that so I signed it anyway and then focused on finding work elsewhere (he was a dick and his company got raided by the FBI a few years later)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I've often heard it stated as a command: "Swear to tell the truth..."

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