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[–] [email protected] 174 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Calling China communist is a stretch. More like planned authoritarian capitalism tempered with socialism. China has 607 billionaires, communism would have 0.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also, Japan is very capitalistic and they have amazing trains.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago

look I don't care who's communist and who's capitalist, we need them trains

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's not a stretch, it's outright false to call it communism or socialism, systems which necessitate the abolishment of capitalist mode of production (commodity production, private ownership, markets) and money. China, meanwhile, literally has billionaires, still produces things under capitalist mode of production and the only oddity it has compared to other Capitalist countries is partially nationalized economy (which Mussolini has also done, it's not socialism by itself).

It's just a social democracy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Isn’t there only one political party in China? How is that democracy? Not being hostile, genuinely curious how that would work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (8 children)

You can have disagreements within a single party. Like how in the US they banned communist parties because it didn't align with the capitalist ideals that all American parties are required to align with.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

democracy is a far stretch though, isnt it? And capitalist is also not entirely true, when entire industry branches are nationalized, planned and not privatized

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[–] breecher 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The term state capitalism cover a lot of the basics of the Chinese system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Thank you. Was looking for a better term.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Lets call it state capitalist, as thats the proper term

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not even that, given how there's a decent chunk of their economy owned by private individuals

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As I understand it, the majority shareholder is the cccp in those little capitalist bubbles?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I answered over here, China is a Socialist economy trying to build up to Communism. Billionaires wouldn't really exist in Communism, but China hasn't managed to abolish the commodity form in general yet, it takes time and most importantly development of the productive forces.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

muricans calling everything communism that isn't gop cock sucking is getting old

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Whos trains are those ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the world may never know

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Are they belong to a stateless moneyless society? It would be very embarrassing for you if they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Would it be? True it's not communist but also China doesn't claim to be. They claim it as an aspiration not as a current state of affairs. However we are random internet people. Are we really going to explain to every dumbass how China isn't communist, only a vanguard state hoping to evolve into one in the future according to the chain of events described in the communist manifesto?

No. Cause that's a waste of time. Being angry that all that context wasn't added is pedantic because we ain't operating with strict definitions that everyone agrees to. We are working with cultural vibe checks. And as far as culture is concerned, China is communist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

They are run by Communists over a Socialist society, working to reach Communism. They have not reached Communism, nobody has, but they have an overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned economy they are advancing year over year.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 days ago (4 children)

China is as communist as I am a french male model. That said, it is indeed a mistake to allow the "free market" to determine the nation's critical infrastructure. American rail is an absolute joke.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I… I already told you.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Close. Put the capitalist train on its side, spilling hazardous waste into a community water source.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

yeah we almost got a high speed rail system but some dipshit from south africa decided to build a shitty tunnel instead

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Communism is when trains run on time

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

’Communism is when communal efforts produce results.’

Accidentally correct, you dolt.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Capitalism (good) Vs Capitalism (bad)

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Capitalism with literal slave labor vs capitalism that outsources the literal slave labor or calls them prisoners with jobs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

and I wouldn't want to live in neither the US nor China

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism with literal slave labor

You're talking about the US prison population, right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

prisoners with jobs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Capitalism (with speedy trains) vs capitalism (with slow trains)

FTFY

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