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Portnov was a piece of shit. Russian collaborator.
I would rather he was extradited, all his assets seized and he would be required to do several decades community service work (live-in janitor in a hospice centre or de-mining work, community service work in Chernobyl would work too).
How was he just hanging out in Spain I wonder, seems like the kinda country that would boot him quick
seems like the kinda country that would boot him quick
If Spain expelled corrupt rich foreigners and gangsters, the Costa del Sol would be nearly unpopulated.
Options 2 and 3 are literal war crimes. You might as well just be happy with the extrajudicial murder.
How so? You do realize regular people work in the Chernobyl zone (for pay, they are not forced).
Same with de-mining work. There are military and police forces who are doing de-mining as part of their duties.
At least in the case of POWs, forcing captives to do life-threatening work is a specifically defined warcrime. De-mining is Example A for this.
Portnov is a POW? This is news to me.
He is a local corrupt oligarch and russian collaborator.
Since when is it a war crime to require community service for high corruption and treason?
If you're willing to forego both the law and basic ethics because he's a traitor, again, you should just be happy with the extrajudicial kill squad.
While I agree with you that as Ukrainian law stands today that would not be viable, I don't see how I am being unethical.
Portniv knowingly (in a premeditated and genuine manner) contributed to mass killing and torture of Ukrainians at the hands of the russians (not to mention the mass scale destruction and life disruption for 10s of millions). Requiring community for a few decades is not a breach of ethics in any way.
It depends on your view of ethics. Most people want to see evil suffer while some prefer the nihilistic approach where the threat is just dealt with. The latter is chosen because it lacks emotions, is logical and protects innocent people who are falsely convinced to the minimal degree.
It depends on your view of ethics.
Exactly! If you have a superficial view of ethics that does not account for reality, you will have a very simplistic view. If you are willing to look at what is actually happening on the ground, you will have a more sophisticated understanding of ethics that goes beyond theatrics.
The issue of collaboration is very a complex topic. There are many cases where low level collaboration (if motivated by factors other than support for russian genocidal imperialism) should likely be dealt with a simple affidavit requiring the individual to confirm that should ideological motivation for collaboration be identified at future date, they will have problems.
With Portnov, there is no complexity. It is a clear cut case. Open and committed treason and support for russian genocidal imperialism.
When you are a smaller country fighting for centuries against a brutal genocidal imperialist population, you need to act in a manner that greatly reduces the incentives for high level collaboration.
for pay, they are not forced
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My man, I don't know how much you've travelled/lived around the world, but in many places the calculus for making a living has its own equations.
Working in Chernobyl has a massive pay differential for the same job compared to the rest of the country. Some people are desperate.
My man - there is a world of difference between "I took this job out of desperation" and "I am literally enslaved and forced to do this job for no compensation."
Should have not engaged in corruption and worked as an agent for the russians. It's not a difficult choice.
I love how quickly most people simply discard their principles the moment they like or dislike the person affected by the rules. It's exactly how Trump operates.
Not at all.
For you this is all theoretical. My priority is dealing with the russian invasion and that is why I support increasing the costs for collaborators.
That doesn't mean I support torture or targeting civilians even if the overwhelming majority of russian civilians are committed genocidal imperialists and generally lack humanity.
But you are welcome to believe whatever you want. Just sharing a different perspective.
War crimes if you force enemy soldiers to do it. Technically forcing enemy soldiers to do anything at all is a war crime.
Not war crimes if it's community service ordered by a judge due to conviction for crimes committed by the subject.
In what country is fucking de-mining "community service?"
Any country riddled with landmines. They're the only ones that need it.
And the world lost nothing of value.
World, not. Russians, yes - they lost an asset.
What was he doing in a NATO country in the first place? Sounds like the authorities were asleep at the wheel.