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Andrii Portnov, a former member of parliament in Ukraine, was sanctioned by the US over corruption allegations. He was shot dead outside a school in Madrid.

Spain's Interior Ministry on Wednesday said Andrii Portnov, an adviser to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, was killed outside a school in Madrid.

According to the police, they received a call about the shooting of a Ukrainian citizen near the elite American School of Madrid in Pozuelo de Alarcón at 9:15 a.m. local time (0715 GMT).

Police said Portnov was shot multiple times in the head and back by more than one gunman while getting into a vehicle. The attackers then fled toward a forested area, police added.

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[–] Skiluros 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

While I agree with you that as Ukrainian law stands today that would not be viable, I don't see how I am being unethical.

Portniv knowingly (in a premeditated and genuine manner) contributed to mass killing and torture of Ukrainians at the hands of the russians (not to mention the mass scale destruction and life disruption for 10s of millions). Requiring community for a few decades is not a breach of ethics in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It depends on your view of ethics. Most people want to see evil suffer while some prefer the nihilistic approach where the threat is just dealt with. The latter is chosen because it lacks emotions, is logical and protects innocent people who are falsely convinced to the minimal degree.

[–] Skiluros 1 points 1 week ago

It depends on your view of ethics.

Exactly! If you have a superficial view of ethics that does not account for reality, you will have a very simplistic view. If you are willing to look at what is actually happening on the ground, you will have a more sophisticated understanding of ethics that goes beyond theatrics.

The issue of collaboration is very a complex topic. There are many cases where low level collaboration (if motivated by factors other than support for russian genocidal imperialism) should likely be dealt with a simple affidavit requiring the individual to confirm that should ideological motivation for collaboration be identified at future date, they will have problems.

With Portnov, there is no complexity. It is a clear cut case. Open and committed treason and support for russian genocidal imperialism.

When you are a smaller country fighting for centuries against a brutal genocidal imperialist population, you need to act in a manner that greatly reduces the incentives for high level collaboration.