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Finland gives 1% of its GDP in military aid to Ukraineβand says use it in Russia
(euromaidanpress.com)
Not a huge surprise. But thanks, Finland!
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Unfathomably based. Not to take anything away from Finland here, but there's a tracker where you can see what each country has contributed. Nordic and Baltic countries have been surprisingly generous during this conflict. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
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Ah, sweet. I believe Finland joined Nazis after the winter war. Fascinatingly enough, during the winter war, the country that was on the side of Nazis was ... Soviet Union!
I'm still fascinated that soviets managed to play a victim card in a war that they started themselves.
I mean, it had non-aggression pact right in the name. They did cooperate in splitting up Poland, but given the history, rhetoric and eventual actions of both sides you'd be hard pressed to seriously argue they were of a side.
From Wikipedia
with a secret protocol establishing Soviet and German spheres of influence across Eastern Europe.
Yes, it was in the title, but what really mattered was the "you take this part, I take the other".
While both were planning to attack the other when the moment is right. Nazis were better at planning. What a surprise.
Yeah, I did address Poland. The agreement fell apart before much more sphering could happen. I rest my case, basically.
Nazis were better at planning. What a surprise.
You know that was a disaster for them, right? The Soviets had their own clusterfucks going on, but they won and it wasn't close.
Is this a national pride thing for you? Why even go there otherwise?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_of_Finland_in_the_Winter_War
Finland stood pretty much alone against Russia at least compared to the support Ukraine has gotten and has.
Yup this, nazis were fighting soviets so basically in the eyes of the finns, they were liberated, same with the majority of the baltics. Soviets were a much bigger problem for eastern europe than nazis. But nazis ended up being just as bad.
Germans were historically decent rulers while russians were always terrible. Besides the countries recently had won their independence that russia made a legal contract to uphonor. Few years later they invaded and annexed them and instantly started committing atrocities.
There was nobody fighting russians but the nazis and nazis lied they would gurantee independence once the war is over.
Speaking as a baltic guy, for us the best rulers were swedes. We have been ruled by swedes, danes, russians, germans and poles. And we only have one saying here βgood old swedish timesβ.
Yes swedish golden age was a thing but swedes haven't been in their "crimes against humanity and invasions" phase for a while, so I didnt feel like they were relevant to mention.
Inb4 some ,ml user claiming they kill trillions every day via capitalism or something
In Poland we do learn about the Swedish Deluge, but I think these days people mostly think of swedes in terms of meatballs and furniture.
They did have their callback to Viking times, that's for sure.
I am not discussing Finland specifically, but this point needs to be raised. How was the USSR any better than the Nazis?
They Soviets organized the Holodomor, mass starvation of million of Ukrainians.
I believe Stalin killed more soviet civilians than the Nazis.
The Soviet Union (especially pre-Khrushev) was an atrocious entity. This includes both Stalin, Lenin and the people who ruled in between. They are monsters.
The Soviets even collaborated with Nazis in the first two years of WW2.
@Skiluros well, there's still an argument that they were better in that their specific goal wasn't to wipe out large parts of the population and enslave all the rest based on racial criteria. Obviously the soviets were still terrible even if they were slightly better than the absolute evil that was the Nazis.
And the Holodomor didn't have a specific goal to killing a large part of the Ukrainian population?
@Skiluros Possibly, there's no consensus on it being a genocide but some scholars do make the argument. But even accepting that as a given it still falls short of the Nazi goals as the scope is more limited so it doesn't really matter for what I said.
And I reiterate that still isn't to say the Soviet regime wasn't totalitarian, murderous, brutal etc. It's like choosing between the plague and cholera.
No consensus? That's like arguing there is no consensus that the holocaust was a genocide.
The holodomor and the mass killing by both Lenin and Stalin are very much a consensus historical fact.
Tankie and russian bullshit is not relevant.
@Skiluros you're just wrong on that one. There exists much more of a consensus on the Holocaust being a genocide than the Holodomor being one. That is if we are speaking in strictly academic terms. The general public tends to use the term much more loosely in numerous contexts...
Nice try trying to portray me as the "ignorant public". There is enough serious academic consensus on the Holodomor being a Soviet-created genocide. Stalin and Lenin were mass murderers. The whole Soviet regime was a bunch of brutal authoritarians that lacked humanity. This is historical fact.
Tankie and tankie-adjacent academics need not apply.
Note the creation date of my Lemmy account. You think you're the first person I've encountered that's spewing such tankie bullshit? Why would you think your attempts at lying would work?
You do understand the tankie copytext and the pretend reasoned tone (when using accounts outside of the three tankie septic tank instances) are always very similar?
@Skiluros you're completely misunderstanding me if you think I'm "spewing tankie bullshit". I'm not disagreeing that the Soviet regime was indeed all of those things.
I'm done here anyway. Pointless to argue about minor points with unreasonable people who think they know it all when they clearly don't.
Totally, we must all bow down your intellectual might.
There is no academic consensus on the Holodomor. There is no academic consensus that Stalin killed more Soviet civilians than Hitler (with Lenin being close too). None at all!
And under no condition should we use our brains (that's the sole prerogative of ikuturso the final arbitrator of historical consensus) and recognize that tankie academics (or russians) denying the Holodomor is irrelevant to historical consensus.
Nor should we recognize that tankies denying the Holodomor are going to be using the holocaust as a cover for their murderous polemics.
The double-genocide "theory" is commonly pushed by right wing eastern European governments to cover up their own crimes of collaborating and participating in the German occupation and the Holocaust.
This rightfully makes a lot of Jews very angry https://defendinghistory.com/red-brown-commissions/
No, you're just trying to deny the Holodomor and mass killings by Stalin. Stalin was no better than Hitler, perhaps even worse.
Believe it or not, you can condemn killing of Jews (and Poles), while also recognizing that the USSR was a brutal, genocidal shithole. And it's not solely Stalin, Lenin and his thugs were just as bad.
No one is buying your white-washing of the Soviet created genocide of Ukrainians.
Good thing it's not the 1940's anymore. Just dodged that bullet.
The 2040s are just around the corner.
Ha, just kidding, www3 will be over by then!
It was after winter war which happened in 1939. Finland was allied with nazi Germany from 1940 to 1944
The winter war was largely independent as I understand. Finland took all aid since they got invaded. Nazi Germany had given Finland to the USSR zone of influence.