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[–] Voroxpete 100 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Remember, none of this is restricted to actual gang members.

If they can deport anyone who is a member of a Venezuelan gang to a prison camp without trial then, oops, turns out everyone they don't like is a member of a Venezuelan gang.

You can prove you're not? Too bad. That would require a trial. You don't get one of those, because we say you're a member of a Venezuelan gang.

See how this works?

ICE are Trump's sturmabteilung. If he's allowed to get away with any of this, it will not be long before he starts turning them on anyone who openly disagrees with him.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Garcia was deported to El Salvador with alleged Venezuelan gang members, but he wasnt Venezuelan, so they just declared him MS-13 instead.

Facts dont matter, they'll just create "alternative facts" that fit their narrative.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

This.

Since Due Process is no longer a thing, anybody can immediately be called an enemy of the state.

For conservatives: say something bad about Biden? Guess what? MAGA is now a gang and you will end up in El Salvador. No proof needed.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

All they have to do is follow the law. Law says they can call anyone a terrorist or national security threat and that removes people's rights. This has been law for years. Now, Republicans are using it because they know they will not get in trouble.

You don't have to be in a gang. They will say standing outside of a Home Depot is a lawful reason to send you to a South American gulag. Because Republicans will not get in trouble.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just wanted to add that since ICE agents are just walking around doing shit without identifying themselves, anyone could walk into your house and rob/rape/murder you while claiming to be ICE if you resist.

Just want to make it clear that this opens up a whole lot of home invasions.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Exactly! have no warrants and don't identify themselves; they don't even have a uniform or badges. I do not care who they say they are, anyone can say they are ICE to get into my home. Do we honestly believe that people are not going to do that? Like be real, this is a flashing beacon of hope to criminals.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment, and the cure for it is the 2nd amendment.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Remember when we were told that kids had to keep dying so we could be allowed to keep guns in our home in case the government decides to break down our doors one day??? Member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Doesn’t the US incorporate castle doctrine principles - an affirmative defense to criminal homicide occurring within a home? Combine that with lax to nonexistent gun control and a high gun ownership rate, and you’re just asking for trouble.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

That's if they let you live long enough to make it to trial, nevermind afterward. 😶

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've resisted, all this time, getting a gun because I have a history of depression and I didn't want one in the house

however, given I have the blessing of castle doctrine in my state I'm really starting to think getting one might be the smarter decision. at least I might get to go out on my own terms.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You have to weigh the likelihood of a warrantless raid versus another bout of heavy depression.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I'm in the middle of a bout of heavy depression right now, I just want to live long enough to outlive my close family, namely my parents. They shouldn't have to sit through my funeral.

Being gay and neurodivergent, though, I don't think I have that long in this country. And I have no method to escape.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Suicide ain't it, neighbor. Sincerely. Not even suicide by cop.

If you need to talk, I'm here. Feel free to DM or reply here, I'm around. 🤘🏼

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Don't kill yourself that's just giving them what they want. Existence is resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Hey. One of my best friends was gay and had depression. He came from a very religious family and struggled with both of these things his entire life. Then he got sick and didn't seek treatment for a medical issue that was curable but fatal if untreated. He died. I think he chose not to seek treatment because it was an out that he didn't have to affirmatively choose.

The world is a worse place without him. It’s been 3 years and I still think about him almost every day. Please find a better solution.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

They WANT trouble, in as many ways as possible. That will allow him to justify imposing Martial Law, and suspend elections.

He has a razor thin majority in Congress, with the 2016 midtetm election ahead (which is shaping up to be a bloodbath), and he can't afford to lose either chamber, which would give Dems control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers.

He wants violence, and he will be instigating it in as many ways as possible.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It varies state by state, and sometimes by municipality.

"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."

Here in Oregon:

https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219

"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:

(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or

(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or

(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

It’s almost as if the War on Drugs was being used as a pretense to up state power for years, and now we have police-military kitted out and trained (Cop City) to slaughter protesters in the street.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Interesting. I’m not an expert on the matter by any means, as I’m not even American, but from what I’ve read, ICE agents often dress in plain civilian clothes - sometimes with no identification markers at all - and can now enter your home without a warrant based merely on “suspicion”. Taking all of this into account, it seems like you would have reasonable belief that you’re in danger and should defend yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Waiting for the first story of a shootout.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

I already know which side I'm rooting for.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

This is precisely what the Founding Fathers intended it be used for.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well that'll be interesting in all of those stand your ground states.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is going to go over great in a country that prides itself on unrestricted firearms for home and personal protection 🫣

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Those folks will bend over the hardest

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They would love nothing more than a few ice agents getting shot to justify an even harsher show of force in the future

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

ICE would get a face full of lead from my home

[–] BingBong 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So I really dislike having guns in the home since I have young children. At this point I'm willing to consider it. I don't have a room for a massive gun safe and nor do I know what gun to get for home defense. What resources are out there to help me find a starting point?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

If you are uncertain what type of gun to get for home defense, id strongly recommend taking training courses before considering. They'll help you get comfortable with one that works for you and your use cases.

General: https://theliberalgunclub.com/

Black resources: https://www.blackgirlsshoot.org/ https://naaga.co/

Lgbtq resources: https://www.pinkpistols.org/ https://www.blazingsword.org/

If you're in a city/state without resources, connect with those websites. You might be able to start your own chapter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

What gun will provide home defense against an ICE SWAT team? Seems to me that a gun in this situation means someone you care about will get seriously injured or die. And/or go to jail for murder.

Makes me think investing in a Halon fire suppression system could be useful. Along with gas masks for everyone.

[–] decapitae 17 points 4 days ago

Any local administrator that signs in for this, is guilty of treason. This administration is guilty, conclusively, now of treason. Why isn't it being removed? What's all this about checks and balances? Seems like the people invoking the alien enemies acts have become, themselves alien enemies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do the Americans really want USA to be a fascist gestapo country?
How exactly do the methods of Trumps regime reflect a society that values freedom?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

MAGA's society is one where white people rule and set the laws. Right now, the target is brown people but it won't stay that way for long. East Asians will be the next cause of issues with China.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, white people are no safer than anyone else, they are just lower on the priority list. They'll get to us standard issue white folks eventually.

Only the wealthy will be safe from the government, and that does not include the mere rich. If you think you are safe because you have a net worth of a few million bucks, you are deluding yourself. You are just another poor rube to the truly wealthy, and when all the profit has been wrung out of the poor, working class, and middle class, theyll go after the merely rich.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

The fuck they can.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Today sounds like a great day for Congress to abolish ICE.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Anyone want to build an exploding house?

Im not American but if someone wants this idea id love to read about it some day

Edit: spelling

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

John Yoo's legacy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Oh look, another thing that has been shot down in court that will have to be relitigated to tell them they're fucking idiots.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Since when have they listened to courts?

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