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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

    Details are still scant, but...

“I mean, he had a lot of ammunition in that house, and certainly ... all of us were strapped, you know, with ammunition, and we were calling for additional ammunition,” Kraus said. “Like I said, we tried to give him every opportunity to come out.”

    ...I'll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could've been handled better.

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[-] [email protected] 75 points 10 months ago

I get that he fired first ( the eviction situation is a whole other bag of nuts) but couldn't 5 police officers with some tear gas have fixed this in 30 minutes with a lot less gunfire?

The guy was losing his home and he was scared. We don't know what his mental state was and we don't know how he came in to possession of so much fire power so I'm not going to assume he bought guns instead of paying his rent- I'm just going to assume that 75 officers and 6.5 hours of gunfire was obviously not the best way out of this situation.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago

Are you kidding me, cops love this kind of stuff. They might act like they were scared or that it was a serious situation, but they were having so much fun. Cops wake up every day and hope something like this happens.

So yeah, it definitely could have been handled better.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I meant that the guy they murdered was scared. I know who seeks to be police officers and it's not people who are generally egalitarian or understanding.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Only if they were trained worth a damn and didn't have the biggest chip on their shoulders imaginable outside of an evangelical church.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

couldn’t 5 police officers with some tear gas have fixed this in 30 minutes with a lot less gunfire?

I've got a theory that we'll never see investigated, and that's that dude is responsible for probably about the first ten shots and the rest of this "standoff" was police shooting in response to hearing their own gunfire.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Nope, we hate lil' wussies with feelings and we love shooting people in the fucking face multiple times.

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[-] [email protected] 64 points 10 months ago

Does anyone else see that people having enough ammunition at home to keep up over six hours of gun fire is the real problem here?

[-] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago

You're right; the cops should have less ammo.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

Cops shouldn't require any ammo for 99.9% of their jobs.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Who else is gonna shoot your dog?

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago

The Second Amendment exists precisely so you can get in six hour stand offs with cops- James Madison

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

James Madison? Who the fuck is that? The second amendment is a God given right.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Don't be ridiculous, General Grant sniped God with a M1 Garand at the landing on Lexington Beach.

Human rights are demanded and earned by humans, with guns.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago

No. I see a man being forced out of his home at gunpoint as the problem here.

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[-] Kecessa 18 points 10 months ago

Guy doesn't have enough money for rent

Guy owns enough guns and ammunition to keep the police in standoff for 6½ hours

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But housing price was the issue? 🤔

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

How long was he collecting ammunition? Did he buy a box on payday once in a while for a few years, or did he go out to Walmart and buy everything he used?

Everyone seems to assume that this guy found out he'd be evicted and he immediately went and bought a rifle and 20,000 rounds of ammunition that evening. Bullets don't go bad, he probably bought them over a few years.

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[-] OneWomanCreamTeam 16 points 10 months ago

Hosting pricing is an issue, but you've got a point. Maybe not in this case.

There's a whole cavalcade of other issues here.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Here's what I read - I do not have the source but it was on a local Pittsburgh news site IIRC. He wasn't paying rent. House was his deceased brother's house which he bought in 1998 - not sure if shooter had inherited it or not, but there was something in excess of 15K owed for back taxes on it. An LLC paid the taxes on it and BOOM its their house - he filed paperwork with the state that they were scammers and he was contesting what he saw as an someone stealing his house. The LLC filed to have him evicted. Ultimately he made a bad decision to use a weapon and not a lawyer but he was ex-military and may have seen this as the last straw.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He was a SovCit.

Court records show the house was owned by Hardison's brother Joseph, who died in March 2021. It was deeded to their father, William Hardison Sr., who neglected to make mortgage payments. The house was foreclosed upon and sold in March to a limited liability corporation called 907 East Street.

William Hardison Jr. was evicted from an apartment on the Northside last year for non-payment of rent. The attorney for 907 East Street says he began squatting in the Board Street home in April, and the LLC petitioned for his eviction in May. William Jr. then filed papers in federal court accusing the new owners of fraud and trespassing, maintaining the house was his and refusing to leave -- despite a judge's order to do so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/who-is-william-hardison-suspect-in-garfield-standoff-held-sovereign-citizen-beliefs/ar-AA1fK1nZ

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I think guns and bullets are a lot cheaper than you think they are. You can get a gun and a thousand bullets for under $500 last I checked.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Also the eviction, and the cop response.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago

Why didn't the cops just leave and then surprise arrest him two days later when he leaves for some groceries or something?

Obviously he wasn't a flight risk since he was literally in trouble for not wanting to leave. Did he have a hostage or something? Why was it time sensitive to arrest him that very day?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Because they wanted to murder him

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[-] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago

Alternate phrasing: Single man takes on 75 cops for 6 straight hours.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

Another responsible gun owner.

This is why I laugh when the ammmosexuals claims their arsenal protects them.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the word "Ammosexuals". I LOVE it. It perfectly describes this kind of "people".

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[-] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

...I'll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could've been handled better.

Yeah, I mean, they could stop evicting people and sentencing them to homelessness.

That would be a start and would have avoided this entire thing.

[-] Kecessa 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean the guy could have not spent all his money on guns and ammo and pay rent?

Where are guns on Maslow's hierarchy of needs do you reckon?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Ammo costs far less than rent and lasts far longer then just a month when purchased.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Apparently if you're sufficiently against property rights, they're vital.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

End qualified immunity. They likely damaged other people's property and deprived they of their rights while endangering them.

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