this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2023
454 points (95.8% liked)

THE POLICE PROBLEM

2529 readers
13 users here now

    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

♦ ♦ ♦

Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

♦ ♦ ♦

RULES

Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.

If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.

Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.

Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.

Please also abide by the instance rules.

It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.

♦ ♦ ♦

ALLIES

[email protected]

[email protected]

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

♦ ♦ ♦

INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

♦ ♦ ♦

ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

    Details are still scant, but...

“I mean, he had a lot of ammunition in that house, and certainly ... all of us were strapped, you know, with ammunition, and we were calling for additional ammunition,” Kraus said. “Like I said, we tried to give him every opportunity to come out.”

    ...I'll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could've been handled better.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How long was he collecting ammunition? Did he buy a box on payday once in a while for a few years, or did he go out to Walmart and buy everything he used?

Everyone seems to assume that this guy found out he'd be evicted and he immediately went and bought a rifle and 20,000 rounds of ammunition that evening. Bullets don't go bad, he probably bought them over a few years.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If instead of buying guns with your paycheck for years, you plopped it in an index fund, perhaps rent wouldn't seem so out of reach.

Edit: if you click the links within the articles and keep going, you find out he got evicted because he's a SovCit who refused payments and wanted to fight the gov

Sources said Hardison believed he was a sovereign citizen, meaning he thought he was exempt from the law.

A Channel 11 News photographer discovered a video of Hardison during a prior interaction with police in 2019. In the video, you can see a Moorish flag, which is flown by Moorish sovereign citizens.

Hardison had a criminal history dating back to at least 2000.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You apparently have more time than I to research every random weirdo in the news. Good job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I travel a lot for work and 3 news articles is not what I would call "heavy reading"

Perhaps you'd be less busy if you weren't working retail at a gun store.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, insult a job I don't even have, want to try again?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sure I'll insult lots of jobs! People who work in CAD are cads!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure that's much better. I've accumulated 15,000 rounds of ammo that I've not used but I need more... how about 20,000 rounds??

Someone accumulating that amount of ammo "just in case" has probably got some other issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of people have lots of bullets. Not saying they aren't crazy, but if they are then there's a fuck ton of heavily armed crazy people... Ok yeah actually that checks out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They're a sensitive group too. Very trigger happy with the downvotes.

[–] Kecessa -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So? If you can't pay your rent and face eviction you sell that shit, you don't start shooting people doing their fucking job.

Gun nuts are the first to speak about individual responsibility but when it's their turn to face their responsibilities you can be sure of one thing, they ain't facing them without a fight!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This guy was a sovereign citizen, so the worst of the worst kind of crazy.

Didn't see that mentioned elsewhere in the thread, and it's a big fucking detail to leave out.