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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My favorite part is how they keep talking about how dangerous China is, then they keep showing tik Tok ads

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Fuckin A right, the limits of hypocrisy know no bounds

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“We need education in this country, not indoctrination in this country,” Ron DeSantis said.

Says the one who is at the forefront of indoctrination in schools.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

No, ya see, indoctrination is when we tell kids to respect one another's differences and teach them all about the world. An education is when we teach them "America rules" so they become good little worker drones without complaints. /s

[–] lnm225 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we talk about how most of them are arguing against education??

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's active hostility to higher education from those on the right, because once you're college educated, you tend to be more left leaning.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

"Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.

More than half of those with postgraduate experience (54%) have either consistently liberal political values (31%) or mostly liberal values (23%), based on an analysis of their opinions about the role and performance of government, social issues, the environment and other topics. Fewer than half as many postgrads – roughly 12% of the public in 2015– have either consistently conservative (10%) or mostly conservative (14%) values. About one-in-five (22%) express a mix of liberal and conservative opinions."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

If companies in Republican states didn't attract tons of out of state workers, the companies would have to leave. The GOP has killed their supporters' prospects of jobs when you increasingly need more education and training in today's world.

And Republicans aren't even satisfied with that. Their abortion bans and attacks on LGBT people are making workers reticent to hire onto companies that want them to work in red states.

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[–] lnm225 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Drill, frack, burn coal and pursue nuclear."

Oy.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I'm donating to the Biden campaign in honor of the Republicans climate positions

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I always hate when nuclear is dumped in with fossil fuels.

The fossil fuel industry has been hamstringing nuclear since the 50s. (the Rockefeller Foundation did some "research" on the safe doses of radiation in the 50s, and then lied and said that there was no safe dose, even though we all swim through a safe dose every day of our lives).

Oil money has then paid for anti-nuclear regulation that makes it almost impossible to build a plant on time and on budget, while also being the wrong regulation to actually make nuclear as safe as it can be.

As an advocate for nuclear power, it's maddening to see these fossil fuel tactics work time and time again.

Hell, the fossil fuel industry also helped twist the environmentalist movement against nuclear. The Rockefeller foundation helped found Greenpeace, and kept the money flowing for decades with the requirement that Greenpeace fight against nuclear power. Friends of the Earth was directly founded by a West Coast Oil Baron for the express purpose of being an anti-nuclear alternative to the (at the time) pro-nuclear Sierra Club.

All because these ghouls wanted to make just a little more money from Peaker Plants (which are legally allowed to charge exorbitant fees for "emergency" power production)

The current US grid has more Peaker Plants than ever, all because of the fact that wind and solar are intermittent, and yet have priority on the grid. Base load plants don't handle unplanned changes in power demand well. Peaker Plants become the only option. So either methane or some sort of oil based fuel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nuclear is the only thing that has a prayer of stopping climate change. It's the only way we can produce clean energy at the scale we need.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No single thing can stop climate change. Every solution will be required. Nuclear is too expensive and takes too long to build to be a sole solution. There is no "only thing that can stop climate change".

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well the nuclear part is right so at least there's that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Conservatives push for nuclear, not because they actually want it, but because they are hoping to create a big political shitfight that will take years to resolve. It's a delay tactic, allowing fossil fuels to continue to be profitable for as long as possible.

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[–] zorb 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Holy shit! This is clown shoes. As expected, but seriously wow.

[–] lnm225 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is clown shoes plus the honking horn and squirting flower...

"After I gave myself to Jesus Christ ..."

Sadly, Nikki Haley looks sane, and that is baffling to me ...

Also, how is this being run like an NFL game??

[–] zorb 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. Finding myself agreeing with Nikki Haley for a moment there made me realize how far right they’ve gone. I know it’s the republican primary, but… sheesh

[–] lnm225 16 points 1 year ago

Its like Bizarro World.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Also, how is this being run like an NFL game??

Mostly for the advertisements.

[–] lnm225 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Its not just drugging people up with Zoloft and Seroquel"

What.

The.

Actual.

Fuck.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Suspiciously specific denial is suspicious.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Consensus is the opposite of leadership" eeesh Mike. So if 60% of America agrees, the leaderlike thing to do is argue with them?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

It does seem to be a very undemocratic statement, doesn't it? Par for the GOP course.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is the one, rare instance where I'll agree with Pence to a point.

Democracy can be cruel to the minority, and creating an equitable society built on freedom and justice means that sometimes, you have to listen to 60% of the people demanding something and then say "no." Leaders lead their people to where they should be, living by example and making persuasive arguments. Leaders also compromise and build consensus, and great leaders recognize that sometimes they don't get to have it their way. We should choose leaders we trust to make those judgement calls.

The problem with that is that Pence is not anywhere on the list of people with the qualities or integrity to be trusted to make decisions. Pence is the sort of guy to order pizza for a group and get four white pizzas with olives because he likes olives and sauce is sinful.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I don’t know what I expected, but somehow the “debate” is worse than that.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ramaswamy is a used car salesman. I wouldn't put money on him actually believing any particular statement that left his mouth. Absolute grifter.

[–] lnm225 25 points 1 year ago

"We are paying single women not to have a man im the house..."

Jfc.

Yes, please, just pair us all up per government sorting.

[–] unconsciousvoidling 8 points 1 year ago

Perfect for the Republican Party then.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I especially liked the part where Desantis froze and needed to reboot before giving his closing statement.

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[–] lnm225 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fentanyl is ultimately coming from China. Can we stop blaming Mexico?

[–] lnm225 17 points 1 year ago

Christie spitting facts.

Weird.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, China is supplying it South of the border.

The big dealers in Portland are all Honduran.

[–] lnm225 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, cut off the source, the distributors have nothing to distribute.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Legally, that's kind of shaky ground. You're talking about disrupting trade between two independent nations.

Not sure how we'd even go about it these days. Waaaaaay back in the day we'd hire privateers to pirate their ships.

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[–] lnm225 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The elephant not in the room"

Oh, ffs.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m not watching the debate. Was that someone slamming Christie?

[–] RvTV95XBeo 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not watching either, I'm sure there's plenty of Christie slamming, but willing to bet that's a reference to Trump. It's got a bit of a double meaning as he has the majority of the party's support, and the Republican mascot is the elephant.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, he is a big lardass that weighs as much as an elephant.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Freaking Pence thinks he's on a pulpit.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vivek "drill, frack, burn coal" Ramalamadingdong. I'm having flashbacks to that dipshit Palin and her drill baby drill battle screech.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

He's a piece of shit, but calling Ramaswamy "Ramalamadingdong" is pretty gross to me.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could replace all of them with animatronics controlled by ChatGPT, and no one would know!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They would, because the replies would be smarter.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That whole top row in the thumbnail is going nowhere.
For various Republican reasons.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see anyone in the debate going anywhere unless Trump is forcibly removed from consideration.

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