cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23485321
The left will feed a thousand people, in fear that one may starve. The right will starve a thousand people, in fear that one is undeserving.
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Or brown.
“Undeserving” covers that, unfortunately.
Ugh…
Yes, kind of. Problem is that from the right-wing pov “undeserving” is a euphemism, almost a dog-whistle for “brown” or in reality closer to “low on their made-up hierarchy”
Right-wing POV: Why are they undeserving? Because they’re not white. Why do we feel that non-whites are undeserving? Racism. Why do we care about who deserves what? Hierarchy/“god’s plan” which put us on top and them on the bottom.
You start out in 1954 by saying, “removed, removed, removed.” By 1968 you can’t say “removed”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “removed, removed.”
This is far more realistic than op
Watching centrists talk to the far right like they're some sort of sensible:
meirl talking to some dude just the other day who was complaining because i was talking mean about trump voters, "just help people to be a better person" etc., but wouldn't give concrete examples of how to do that with people whose literal goal is to be as shitty as possible
You can't middle ground "all races are inferior to white".
lol. In America "fat left" is getting basic needs met.
i suppose it's something.
the alternative is concentration camps, I’ll take basic needs please
Ah, yes. The famous anarchist "concentration camps". /s
- Theres is no far left in the US, Bernie and AOC are run of the mill social democrats
- The extreme left and right both lie to get to power, once there is the same shit, I was born in a country freshly out of a far right dictatorship and grew up in another that got themselves in a far left dictatorship. Same thing, extreme poverty for the people, opression, censorhip, persecution, murder. The message was good , they've promissed unicorns and rainbows and now here we are, my family had to run away and is now spread across the globe. Fuck the extremes, they are the same fucking thing exactly.
I myself become a hard core social liberal, but can get along with social democrats, classic liberals and conservatives, other than that steer clear
Bless.
The extreme left wants state managed fascism to the benefit of in groups, and the extreme right wants wealth managed fascism to the benefit of in groups. We're just so used to choosing between the mild right and the extreme right that we've begun to confuse the mild left - the political group who wants to meet everyone's basic needs - for the extreme.
I'm tired of seeing run-of-the-mill social democracy paraded around as "the far left."
No no, they pretend (even to themselves, I think) that they can't tell them apart, but they can and like what they see from the right more. They deny it because it's not politically/socially expedient, but this is why when push comes to shove they invariably fall in with the right.
Wish it was this mild. Centrists are more like "Hmm, how can I get the votes of the bigot? A riddle for the ages." And "Why can't those assholes complaining about affording healthcare shut the fuck up, they're breaking my concentration on how to win over the bigots".
Centrists hate the left but will take their vote. They are horny for the right and will abandon any left principle of it'll get their vote.
Hence Kamala running a Republican campaign.
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@FenrirIII
That's more like "center left".
At least some definition of "Far Left" would be more: "we're gonna get everyone's basic needs meet by exterminating entire social groups because they're impure". It's not the only one, but it's the one that "centrists" would say it's no different from the "far right".
At least some definition of "Far Left" would be more: "we're gonna get everyone's basic needs meet by exterminating entire social groups because they're impure".
What the hell are you talking about? "Exterminatidg entrire social groups because they're impure" sounds very right-wing to me.
Are you trying to peddle some weird horseshoe bullshit?
people will refer to landlords as a 'social group' rather than advocate for anything non-milquetoast its par for the course
@Prunebutt
China? Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?
I know the horseshoe theory is problematic, but it's fact that some nominally "left" groups in practice resemble the "far right"; today's China specially in practice resembles more Nazism than Communism.
I don't consider China to be very left. It's a capitalist country. The same goes for other state-capitalist projects.
While there are authoritarian leftists, I think it's wrong to act as if these where the only part of the so-called "far left". How many genocides were committed by anarchists?
There are more figures on the far left than anarchists. You can't just No true Scotsman Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
Did those people try to deconstruct existing power structures while in office? That makes them counter revolutionary. The state is counter revolutionary.
You can't abolish maters by using the master's tools.
That's just a No true Scotsman argument. Their (alleged) end goal was the creation of a classless, stateless communist society. They haven't achieved that, and they wouldn't have claimed to have achieved that. But they would've claimed that their crimes were a necessary step towards that goal. You can't just brush aside the people most associated with the "far left" label, regardless of whether or not you personally feel like they are "undeserving" of it.
I didn't think voters had access to "exterminate the rich" type representatives though. I can vote for neoliberal with a dash of mildly left (the Radical Left™)... or GOP which are actually far right.
Tax the rich, restructure police, equality at a snail's pace. That's the far left in reality for voters. Centrists really are bastards.
@mhague
The problem with the US political system is that it's so far skewed to the right that the moderate right Democrats are called "far left", and by hearing "far left" people will associate it with Stalin and Mao...
The sole concept of having a political option whose basic program, purpose and goal is NOT to allow everyone equal rights, is nothing but WW2 german Nazism and should be met with contempt, disgust, unacceptance and SEVERE resistance, even violent one if necessary.
Equalizing such option with any other (left?) option whose goal IS to provide everyone equal rights - is also nothing but intentionally shaming and devalueing that (left, socialist) option and intentionally supporting the Nazism option.
Whether posts, such as this one, come from being (politically) illiterate (as almost 55% of USA is below 6th grade literacy, which puts them in the cotegory of huge crowd of useful idiots) or simply because one is (momentarilly) safe from being endangered by any political stream, is trivial in the matter.
This is not the issue of politics. It is the issue of common sense.
If by "far right" and "far left" you mean people that prefer authoritarian forms of government over democracy, then yeah, it's not all that much different. From my discussions with MAGAs and tankies I've concluded they're the same kind of people, they just quote different talking points.
There's more to the left than tankies.
Do you want democracy or do you want to impose your idea of a utopia onto others through authoritarianism?
Okay I'm not a socialist so I don't really have a horse in this race, but democracy is a central tenet of socialism. Socialists hate tankies as much as you do, and anarchists probably hate them more.
What kind of democracy? Liberal democracy or the one where people have a proportional say in the matters that they're affected by?
Do you not think far left or far right anarchists exist?
People that think the world is flat exist. But what they believe is nonsense and the usually have an agenda of making money from gifting people. Or they're just idiots that don't understand how anything works and refuse to learn.
It's the same thing for people pushing weirdo ideologies.
So there are either authoritarian extremist ideologies or illogical extremist ideologies with nothing in between?
Isn't this 2024 in a nutshell?
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