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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I hope some of you actually skimmed the article and got to the "disengaging" part.

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It’s a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

That is like writing musk made an awkward, confused gesture during a time a few people might call questionable timing and place.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago

That's so wrong holy shit

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Don't get me wrong, autopilot turning itself off right before a crash is sus and I wouldn't put it past Tesla to do something like that (I mean come on, why don't they use lidar) but maybe it's so the car doesn't try to power the wheels or something after impact which could potentially worsen the event.

On the other hand, they're POS cars and the autopilot probably just shuts off cause of poor assembly, standards, and design resulting from cutting corners.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (7 children)

if it can actually sense a crash is imminent, why wouldn't it be programmed to slam the brakes instead of just turning off?

Do they have a problem with false positives?

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 4 days ago (59 children)

My 500$ robot vacuum has LiDAR, meanwhile these 50k pieces of shit don't 😂

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago

Holy shit, I knew I'd heard this word before. My Chinese robot vacuum cleaner has more technology than a tesla hahahahaha

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[–] [email protected] 288 points 5 days ago (35 children)

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

This has been known.

They do it so they can evade liability for the crash.

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[–] [email protected] 436 points 5 days ago (18 children)

Notice how they're mad at the video and not the car, manufacturer, or the CEO. It's a huge safety issue yet they'd rather defend a brand that obviously doesn't even care about their safety. Like, nobody is gonna give you a medal for being loyal to a brand.

[–] can 164 points 5 days ago (9 children)

These people haven't found any individual self identity.

An attack on the brand is an attack on them. Reminds me of the people who made Stars Wars their meaning and crumbled when a certain trilogy didn't hold up.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 days ago (4 children)

An attack on the brand is an attack on them.

Thus it ever is with Conservatives. They make $whatever their whole identity, and so take any critique of $whatever as a personal attack against themselves.

I blame evangelical religions' need for martyrdom for this.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I can’t wait for all this brand loyalty and fan people culture to end. Why is this even a thing? Like talking about box office results, companies financials and stocks…. If you’re not an investor of theirs, just stop. It sounds like you’re working for free for them.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Of course it disengages self driving modes before an impact. Why would they want to be liable for absolutely anything?

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 5 days ago (5 children)

"Dipshit Nazis mad at facts bursting their bubble is unreality" is another way of reading this headline.

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[–] [email protected] 191 points 5 days ago (16 children)

I wondered how the hell it managed to fool LIDAR, well...

The stunt was meant to demonstrate the shortcomings of relying entirely on cameras — rather than the LIDAR and radar systems used by brands and autonomous vehicle makers other than Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 163 points 5 days ago

If I could pass one law, requiring multiple redundant scanning tech on anything autonomous large enough to hurt me might be it.

I occasionally go to our warehouses which have robotic arms, autonomous fork lifts, etc. All of those have far more saftey features than a self driving Tesla, and they aren't in public.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 5 days ago (12 children)

The tl;dr here is that Elon said that humans have eyes and they work, and eyes are like cameras, so use cameras instead of expensive LIDAR. Dick fully inside car door for the slam.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

So, who's the YouTuber that's gonna test this out? Since Elmo has pushed his way into the government in order to quash any investigation into it.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 5 days ago (39 children)

Why would a car that expensive not have a LiDAR sensor?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cameras are cheaper..that's it

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (3 children)

If you get any strong emotions on material shit when someone makes a video...you have 0 of my respect. Period.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

E. Lon Musk. Supah. Geenius.

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[–] Banana 41 points 4 days ago (22 children)

And the president is driving one of these?

Maybe we should be purchasing lots of paint and cement blockades...

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I saw the video and I have two points:

  1. Yes it plays like an infomercial for lidar. So take that portion with some skepticism. I can think of some issues exclusive to lidar like 2+ lidar cars blinding each other which needs to be solved, e.g. some kind of light pattern encoding to mask out unwanted signals.
  2. It absolutely 100% demonstrates the issue with camera-only technology in Tesla vehicles.

Teslas used to have cameras + radar but they cheaped out and removed the radar. I think it would have passed all the tests if they still had the front facing radar but they don't. The problem with cameras alone is obvious - they can't see what they can't see and probably don't have an innate sense to slow down if there is rain, fog, ice or whatever else that might cause a human to.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Painted wall? That's high tech shit.

I got a Tesla from my work before Elon went full Reich 3, and try this:

  • break on bridge shadows on the highway
  • start wipers on shadows, but not on rain
  • break on cars parked on the roadside if there's a bend in the road
  • disengage autopilot and break when driving towards the sun
  • change set speed at highway crossings because fuck the guy behind me, right?
  • engage emergency break if a bike waits to cross at the side of the road

To which I'll add:

  • moldy frunk (short for fucking trunk, I guess?), no ventilation whatsoever, water comes in, water stays in
  • pay attention noises for fuck-all reasons masking my podcasts and forcing me to rewind
  • the fucking cabin camera nanny - which I admittedly disabled with some chewing gum
  • the worst mp3 player known to man, the original Winamp was light years ahead - won't index, won't search, will reload USB and lose its place with almost every car start
  • bonkers UI with no integration with Android or Apple - I'm playing podcasts via low rate Bluetooth codecs, at least it doesn't matter much for voice
  • unusable airco in auto mode, insists on blowing cold air in your face

Say what you want about European cars, at least they got usability and integration right. As did most of the auto industry. Fuck Tesla, never again. Bunch of Steve Jobs wannabes.

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If you own a tesla or a cybertruck you deserve it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

To be fair, if you were to construct a wall and paint it exactly like the road, people will run into it as well. That being said, tesla shouldn't rely on cameras

Edit: having just watched the video, that was a very obvious fake wall. You can see the outlines of it pretty well. I'm also surprised it failed other tests when not on autopilot, seems pretty fucking dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

To be fair, if you were to construct a wall and paint it exactly like the road, people will run into it as well.

this isn't being fair. It's being compared to the other- better- autopilot systems that use both LIDAR and radar in addition to daylight and infrared optical to sense the world around them.

Teslas only use daylight and infrared. LIDAR and radar systems both would not have been deceived.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Watch the video it's extremely obvious to a human driver that there is something wrong with that view ahead. It's even pointed out in the video that humans use additional visual clues when a situation is ambiguous.

The cars don't have deduction and reasoning capabilities so they need additional sensors to give them more information to compensate due to their lack of brains. So it's not really sensible to compare self-driving systems to humans. Humans have limited sensory input but it's compensated for by reasoning abilities, Self-Driving cars do not have reasoning abilities but it's compensated for by enhanced sensory input.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (16 children)

I bet the reason why he does not want the LiDAR in the car really cause it looks ugly aestheticly.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

It costs too much. It's also why you have to worry about panels falling off the swastitruck if you park next to them. They also apparently lack any sort of rollover frame.

He doesn't want to pay for anything, including NHTSB crash tests.

It's literally what Drumpf would have created if he owned a car company. Cut all costs, disregard all regulations, and make the public the alpha testers.

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