But it's not ready because insert niche use case that only applies to me and no, I will not seek out open source alternatives to insert closed source software
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Yes, that's exactly me. I need to use creative cloud for the company where I work. If I deviate it fucks everyone and the entire workflow. But I don't really think CC is niche. The moment they support linux, I'm switching
Like he said its not lacking on anything is just that you cant use your needed program. And its fine to stay on windows.
The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is, they want a fully functional GUI that lets you so exactly the same thing but by clicking on buttons. Pair that with drivers that either do not exist or will not work for (some) of your hardware, odd crashed like the Bluetooth stack crapping out and not working anymore until you restart the system, or the system that hangs from hibernation with a black screen. So unless those hurdles are tackled the Linux adoption rate will stay low because the average user wants a system that works, and not one they have to debug.
I've been on and off different distros of Linux since Ubuntu 6 using Pop_OS! as my daily driver for work a few years now, and the same problems I had then are still here today which is a shame honestly.
the average user does not want
The average user wants their problem gone. And will use whatever helps. Windows users were editing register and editing ini files since Windows was an addon to DOS, and continue doing it. For a literate person there is absolutely nothing more inheritly more intuitive or easy in clicking a checkbox in a fifth submenu than entering a command in a console. Stop perpetuating this weird myth.
This is correct. I work with the "average user" of technology daily as IT support, and honestly, they don't give any shits at all about why it's messed up, or what needs to be done to correct the problem. Box broken, make fix.
The argument that I think the poster is trying to make is that, if a user needs to do any self troubleshooting, which is basically inevitable with technology at the moment, having to use a CLI to get things done is undesirable for the average person. They barely want to bother opening control panel in Windows (or the new "settings" app.... Ugh.) nevermind understand any of it.
Box broken. Make fix.
It's not a weird myth, have you ever worked with average users? Some of them have trouble opening a PDF or don't know how to import a CVS file in Excel. Power users have always been tinkering in their OS that's nothing new, but I'm talking about the average Joe.
I dont know wtf you are using, KDE and Gnome dont use the terminal and Bluetooth has never crashed for me. Your shit is all fucked up
IMO, this is a demonstration of the problem. You're blaming the poster/their equipment. Rather than any real solution to the problem the defacto answer is "well, it works for me so what's wrong with you?"
I've never heard this kind of toxicity from other communities (like the apple/Windows crowds). Often you'll get useful answers indicating what to check or pointing to another resource. There's always the chance that the hardware is busted, but let's face it, in the modern era, that's far less likely to happen now than it was even 10 years ago.
Immediately blaming the user for their issue isn't going to solve the problem, nor does it endear any average user to the Linux community or the Linux OS. This attitude is not going to help adoption even if the posters concerns are invalidated by newer/better drivers/software, and all they need to do is update, and/or try again.
This kind of statement actively harms Linux adoption.
Sorry I meant to say I dont even remember how many years ago I saw anyone with Bluetooth problems. Look how you conveniently ignore the fact Kde and Gome dont use the terminal contrary to what you had stated. Your shit is all fucked up.
It's a brand new (one year old now) Thinkpad X1 Carbon, with a clean installed Pop_OS! system, so I don't know why it does that, but it has done it at least ten times since I got it. Also after installing VirtualBox I've been have kernel panics occasionally when shutting down the system Β―\(γ)/Β―
There are also just a lot of personalization options that just aren't there, particularly for power-lite users, because Linix power users use the terminal for everything.
Like, heaven forbid you want a full featured, advanced file manager or something, but aren't interested in learning bash scripting...
Are you truly saying personalization is not there on linux but Windows has it? LoL
I'm pretty sure they're saying that customization, while present in Linux, is not accessible to most because of a lack of GUI options to configure a nontrivial number of the customization settings.
KDE can configure more things than there are atoms in this world. And All other DE are way more advanced than windows all through the GUI. So their point remains garbage
Yeah, that sums up my experience quite well.
How do I make the change less scary? I made my pc like 10 years ago and not looked at it since. I just use it for personal admin now and Rome 2 total war twice a year.
learn how to make and recover a windows backup. Then actually make a backup. (even if you dont switch, backups are amazing)
Test some Linux systems in a VM like VirtualBox to get a feeling which OS and desktop enviroment you like the most. Maybe start with Mint, Suse Tumbleweed & Ubuntu
See which Applications you need and if they run on Linux or if you need to get an alternative (like Office -> Libreoffice/SoftMaker)
If you play games with a kernel Anticheat like Valo you have to consider running a Windows VM or to look for an alternative. If booth options are not acceptible for you then :/
Make sure you can access everything like emails & co where you might have lost the 2 factor on the VM (at least i lost access to gmail a few months ago on the switch and its an absolute pain to get access back, luckely was not my main)
The easiest way is to buy a used ssd, and dual-boot. Ive heard, always install windows first and then linux.
Done this way, there shouldnt be any problems. If you realize you dont need one of the operating systems, you could just wipe the disk and mount it again.
Hm, the the absolute least scary option would be to try it out on a live bootable USB. That's not difficult, it's the first step before installing pretty much any modern distro.
The second least but slightly more technically advanced would be to get a second hard drive and install Linux on that completely separately from your windows install. The technical part here is your BIOS will have a default boot drive and will boot from there on start up, so you would need to interrupt the boot and select which OS you want.
I personally went with the second option, as dual booting from the same had drive is a minefield with windows, as they have a tendency to wreck the Linux boot part. But when I swapped, I set the default boot to my Linux hard drive to get in the habit of using it, and if I ever need anything from windows nowadays (only VR) I select that on boot.
Balls, it sounds like I need to go with the second option.
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