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This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[–] iz_ok 2 points 20 minutes ago

Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.

Fuck Trump!

I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

LOL, the stuff of nightmares.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Quite literally in my case.

PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)

If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.

Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records, but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

I like Mancala, personally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What's the bill number? Is there a link to the text for a full read?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 51 minutes ago

It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don't pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.

I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we're getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We're in for a rough time. Still: don't give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it's so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 minutes ago

It can’t happen here…until it does

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

While this may be true, most floods start with a single drop of rain.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 minutes ago

Like one of the bluest.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 hours ago

but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I don't know how to start a riot

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 hours ago

This statement sums up modern Western society.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

first: start a huge protest with flyers and stuff.
second: start breaking things.
????
nth: prison for inciting a riot.
(although, worth it)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

Yeah, I'm using it get out of work Friday. Long weekend baby!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Which results in more cops getting shot

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago

I've contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won't be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 12 hours ago

Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

[–] RowRowRowYourBot 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior. This may be expressed by: new text end new text begin (1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and new text end new text begin (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Tru"

Just in case you missed it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?

A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?

There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.

basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I'm not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!

[–] [email protected] 122 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Which is why I roll my eyes everyone those Dems mentions "Gun Control".

Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Dems are part of the system and are not our allies.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?

But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.

I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

Hello fellow Scandinavian

I share your worries, I truly think we're going to have war at our doorsteps sooner or later, and I don't really know what to do about it (beyond I guess, preparing mostly self-sufficient communities of like-minded individuals capable of self-defense, but yeah..)

It's definitively scary

[–] [email protected] 56 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They want people to suffer.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 13 hours ago

I saw on a conservative discussion group about making "TDS" (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they're calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.

There it is.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago

These fucking unimaginative regressive vengeful idiots - they just ripped off ODS and CDS and tried to make it a thing during donvict's first term, and then, ironically had such a case of BDS under Biden [1].

Now the bootlicks want to enshrine "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (not a real thing) into law?

[1] ODS, CDS and BDS are and were actual things on the right, though. They kept claiming that these milquetoast center-right Democratic presidents were tyrannical, were going to take their guns, create death panels, bring about a Marxist regime, that qons were being "censored" (lol), and so on....that's some serious derangement.

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