In many cities having a lawn is required. It may be the HOA, or the zoning code
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You think we own shit? Lawns are the landlord's landscaping equivalent of white paint: inoffensive but dull and useless
Canadian here, that's getting more and more common over here. There's a ton of HOA bullshit here too but I've been seeing more and more food gardening in Vancouver, but that might also be because food is expensive as fuuuck here.
I want to grow my own potatoes, bananas, and coffee once I get my own house in the tropics
americans already do this i see it all the time
Some cities actually mandate lawns. My city has code enforcement officials who have to go around and make sure that lawns are kept to a certain standard. I live in California and at some point these codes were relaxed to deal with water shortages (go figure) so we don't actually have to maintain our lawn. It's part of practices focused around preserving high housing costs (which I think are absolutely terrible).
Grass is nice. It's nice to lay on. It's nice to walk barefoot in. It's soft and cushiony. It's cool on a hot summer day.
I have zero grass though. Just rocks and fruit trees.
Because having a big yard of grass that you have to mow every week while using up gasoline is the American dream and a flex for some reason.
too busy eating avocado toast
Are you suggesting that we won't eat our Arborvitaes?
There is a pretty great website called Falling fruit to map trees and other plants that you can pick from freely.
Hey. Thank you for sharing this.
Websites like this are the good part of the internet.
Littering your yard with food attracts things like rats, raccoons, squirrels, etc, which destroy property and infrastructure, spread disease, and cause injury to people and pets. I'm not saying I'm against fruit trees, but I do understand people who are. It's a legitimate concern. Some areas even have things like boars or bears which are extremely dangerous.
I'm also curious with the way you can sue people in the US what would happen if someone becomes sick after eating one of your fruits. I imagine it varies by state.
Trees in general do all of those horrible things you mentioned.
I don't think that's the case, but trees in general are sadly not common in American landscaping, at least in my experience with urban areas. You tend to see newer (90's+) homes with very small trees that suggest the idea of nature without providing any shade or other benefits. I keep hearing about people buying older houses with big lovely trees and having them immediately cut down because it's disturbing the driveway or they're afraid of it falling in a storm. I think insurance costs may have something to do with these concerns, but it's really sad regardless.
In California they're constantly giving out these little saplings that will grow into very functional and deep-rooted shade trees, but no one wants them because they aren't pretty and drop needles.
Dropped fruit all over the ground really encourages rats though.
My mum got a house super cheap when I was young because it had a "rat problem" it also had a peach tree in the back yard that the owner didnt pick up after. We removed literal garbage bags of peach pits from the roof space and crawl spaces of that house and garage.
Chopped the peach tree down (it wasnt a healthy tree anyway) and the problem basically disappeared in days.
And I've found loads of walnut shells in nooks and crannies. I'm not going to cut a black walnut down.
Buildings need to be built properly to exclude animals regardless.
Not possible. Nature finds a way.
I lived in a small city (~30k) in the middle of rural texas growing up, and our main wildlife was deer, squirrels, possums, foxes, armadillos, javalinas, and birds, although we also had the occasional ratsnake or raccoons or skunks.
We didn't really have fruit trees, but we did have plenty of pecans and several gardens of all kinds of veggies, a fig tree that never seemed to bloom, and some assorted berrying bushes.
We never experienced these plagues of infrastructural damage and diseases and hurt pets (4 cats and 2 dogs in total) that you describe. Idk where people get these horror stories from.
I suppose it can happen, but that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I s2g cityfolk act like getting brushed up against by a non-domesticated critter will give them an instant prion disorder.
that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I think this is the case. In urban areas you get the rats and such nesting directly in people's homes because there's nowhere else for them to be, thanks to the absolute miles of pavement. When I've lived in more rural areas you would see a lot of animals all the time, but everyone was pretty much minding their own business. I think habitat destruction is the real problem.
Reading this made me even happier I don't have to live there
Zoning laws in a lot of places.
Grass lawns as a concept came from Europe as a symbol of wealth. If you could afford a large green lawn, you were likely rich.
Probably need a permit and license
Wait...
Itβs a stupid reason. Historically, if you were a peasant and had been granted access to land, you grew food or herbs. If however you were a lord, you got your food from your peasants. You had no need to grow your own food. So they could afford to grow lawns as a sign of wealth.
This has transferred across into the modern psyche. Lawns are a way of saying βiβm so rich, i donβt have to worry about sustenance. In fact iβll throw money at it to maintain this slab of green rather than have it provide food, or shade.β
Itβs funny how this has come full circle - many people garden (in their back yards) to show they have the free time to do so.
@Turturtley @Confidant6198 Its worse, because, actually, even if they wanted to, most Americans are under the tyrannical rule of a Homeowners Association (talk about liberty huh) that forces them to plant grass, and can fine them a shit ton of money if they do otherwise
This is the correct answer. So many US'isms are bourgeois / aristocratic imitation.
Cars / wasteful transportation, lawns, sprawled out cities, high amounts of meat consumption, vacation homes / timeshares / exotic vacations, having servants, etc. These are things that are only possible for countries with huge amounts of land and resources, and not sustainable or doable for most of the world.
It could also be seen as rising standards of living, and aristocrats were optimizing their advantage before the standards rose for everyone due to cheap energy availability.
Saying people consume meat to mimic the rich is a little silly.
That will depend on what type of Home Ownership Association the house is on. Some of them mandate a well kept grass lawn and you get fined for not moving.
The 50s happened.
And for whatever the fuck reason, they wanted houses like the ones found in pre-1789 France
We do? At least where I live I see mango trees all over, saw a longan the other day, there are loquats all over too, and until citrus canker there were orange trees in most backyards. At my old house we had loquat, tangelo, lemon, lime, carambola and bananas, and a papaya tree.
At this house we have lemon, lime, Valencia, and sugar bell citrus trees, a fig (all of these are dwarf trees) and a vegetable garden but all are in back. In front a small lawn, a few ornamental plants and sometimes I plant bulb fennel out there.
Rodents mostly
We do. Obviously not everyone can But I wager the number of Americans growing something edible on their space is decent. Usually it's easy stuff to grow, or someone's favorites.
Thinking about it and counting in my head I actually know dozens of people that grow tomatoes personally. They grow easily in large quantities in relatively small space and all taste better than store bought.
Citrus has been pretty plentiful my entire life too. Lemon trees especially.
Iβm tryinβ, man. Fruit bearing plants take a lot of work compared to the manicured suburban steriscape. Theyβre not super easy to grow (depending on where you live), require pruning and fertilizer, soil amendment, and unfortunately pesticides or fencing if you donβt want insects or deer destroying your hard work.
Thatβs way more effort than most people want to expend. HOAs or even local ordinances may also restrict what can be grown.
Look into native plants. There are so many edible things that you can just leave in the wasteland that is your yard and they'll take over. Here in Tennessee we have pawpaws and maypops for fruit, tomatoes that pop up randomly, garden greens like wood sorrel and lambs quarters, and a bunch of other things that absolutely take over given half a chance. Sure, if you try and grow the seed packets from your local Lowes you'll have issues with pests and whatnot, but there is so much more food out there than these varieties.
Absolutely. Already have a couple.
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I mean some of us hate grass so much we started a huge reddit community about it that made it's way too lemmy.
Trees (e.g. apple trees or others) provide great shade and help lower the temperature. They are beneficial if you feel that summer heat is getting worse due to climate change. Additionally, if you have issues with heavy rainfall, trees can help by absorbing large amounts of water through their roots. This approach can be applied in most countries.
A lot of people are secretly cows and they actually eat that grass. Next time you say hello to someone and they respond βmooβ youβll know why.
As someone who lives in an ex-industrial city (Birmingham Alabama), Iβve always been worried about air pollution and tainted soil (there are superfund sites nearby). I feel like every thing would have to be above ground and covered. That seems like a lot of work. Should I be worried?
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