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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs and threatening 2 allies (Canada and Greenland)

This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?

Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.

He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Føtex in Denmark is to start marking American products, so now it's easier to know if you're buying something American or something European.

I think Canada is also going to make a few trade deals with us.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[–] [email protected] 37 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Trump is a vulgar minded criminal who only thinks in terms of money and cash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

There is so much in this direction. For a fraction of the budget, you could obliterate both the Russian army and economy, without losing any soldiers. What an opportunity, what a deal. Unless you're owned by Russia, of course.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.

Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.

Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.

So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

I'd like a refund please, I didn't agree to this.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?

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[–] [email protected] 199 points 2 days ago (15 children)

The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...

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[–] [email protected] 272 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.

Absolutely disgusting.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago

This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago (26 children)

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 days ago (25 children)

At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.

The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.

So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.

That's the kind of idiot he has always been.

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