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President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.

Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.

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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.

Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

"Heated exchange".

What are they talking about?? An exchange requires at least two participants. Zelenskyy was trying to keep it cool while Trump and Vance (mainly Trump) just spoke over him. That wasn't a heated exchange, it was a fucking loser having a tantrum while others watched, not quite believing what they were seeing. Having Trump keep talking about Zelenskyy basically being responsible for his citizens dying and bullets flying etc made me sick. The absolute lack of compassion from this orange twerp is incredible. What a cunt.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago

I have never been more ashamed to be an American, and have felt like I'm saying this increasingly often. This dude is a man of his people coming to hope and keep aid to be able to fight Putin and these dudes ridiculed and heckled him. They were giving him shit for not wearing a suit. Fucking assholes. Anyone who keeps up knows that's for good reason. He's showing solidarity with the soldiers, his citizens, that are fighting for their god damned homes and families. This deal was never going to go. It was a setup for Trump and Vance to stroke their pathetic micro penis egos. Fucking disgraceful.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

What is even worse than how embarrassing this is, is that it’s impossible for me to tell if this was Putin’s idea or just a fortunate side effect of his stooge’s lead-addled and dying brain.

[–] [email protected] 286 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Europe, don’t count on America for shit. Do what needs to be done before Ukraine is wiped from the map. They will come for you too.

[–] [email protected] 167 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world. It's up to Europe now. The U.S. is a fucking shithole.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world.

Frankly, most of the time that was said it was said by Americans and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough. It's up to the E.U. now.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

EU governments were completely happy letting it be the case as well. Don't act like they were doing much to try and reduce their reliance on US aid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah, so? They were willing to play along as long as America was reasonably well behaved about it. That was the unspoken bargain of America's Cold War and post-Cold War international influence - they got to have plenty of soft power, and in exchange they got to play out their World Police fantasy.

Now that's going to be going away.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago

American here, we are a shit country with shit people. Good luck and please liberate us from the fascists when it really hits the fan.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

We will hopefully do that, but it's also up to the American citizens to finally put up a proper resistance. One of the most worrying things to me is how indifferent the majority of Americans seem to be to their country turning fascist and betraying its allies. There were some protests sure, but they're ridiculously tiny compared to protests in even much smaller countries like Georgia. It's time to wake the fuck up before power has fully been consolidated and there's no way back. Europe may be able to stand alone against Russia, but against Russia and the US will be tough.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.

Everyone's pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The wording is so insane to me. Like he was just begging to sign that deal. lol

There's no way he was going to sign it. He didn't come to the US to sign it. He came here to negotiate into a reasonable deal for both countries. This headline makes it sound like he lost out, and he really didn't. Like, sure, we could have swooped in and helped Ukraine a little more, but in return we would get billions, maybe even trillions in return... It's literally war profiteering out in the open.

That kind of shit used to be illegal and now we have Presidents televising his profiteering... This timeline is fucking nuts.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

US assurance means as much as Russian assurance anyways, and US is known to go back on deals they themselves proposed and signed like what they are doing to Canada. So if the US isn't even making a good faith attempt at a deal they likely wouldn't stick to in order to protect Ukraine it just shows how corrupt negotions were from the start.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I bet he chose to leave but Trump couldn't handle the Truth.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Ukraine's mineral resources really aren't even that considerable on a global scale. They're not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn't have American companies salivating.

This minerals for protection thing apparently was floated by Ukraine first to the Biden administration and Trump campaign. The Biden administration didn't do much with it because, among other things, the actual economic and practical value was questionable.

Trump, on the other hand, just wants to be seen making deals. Zelenskyy and Ukraine first floated the general idea because they knew Trump is highly transactional and it'd give Trump an easy "win."

I highly doubt trillions in profits are anywhere in the mix.

And you don't want to negotiate anything with Trump directly. If Zelenskyy did that intentionally, he dropped the ball. Trump is far too mercurial and often only grasps issues in the most basic of senses. Trying to get into a nuts and bolts negotiation with him is pointless. Hammer that out first, get something signable without too onerous of long term commitments, compliment him, sign, move on.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago

I watched this and I found it disgusting. It seemed to me that this was pure blackmail. This American government can't be trusted to keep its commitments and I won't be surprised if he pulls such stunts with Taiwan as well.

I wonder if any other world leader would like to visit the White House and be insulted by this administration !!

[–] [email protected] 136 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Americans are cowards for letting Russia take over their country

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Murica died with a whimper!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

We're dying by a type of asphyxiation caused by sniffing our own farts for almost a hundred years.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The whole world sees it including the American people who clearly don’t care.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The majority of American voters have shown us who they are evil garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 days ago

Trump and Vance are total imbeciles. Fucking toddlers are more coherent.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Just when you thought you couldn’t get any more embarrassed being an American.

This is a great window into how Trump, Vance and MAGA do business.

Bully. Yell. Lie. Threaten.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago

For a guy who said he's not gonna start any wars, he sure is acting like a guy who's gonna start a war.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago

He should fly to Brussels to discuss Europe's offer. They won't tell him repeatedly that he should be more thankful.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Zel should fly to another country in EU for mineral deal

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Americans, I expect you to fight rhis bully.

Please, grow a fkin pair and start fighting back. You don't want to be regretting your lack of fighting back while you can.

Rage against rhe machine please.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He wasn't ordered. He left on his own accord.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

What is the context of this comment? It seems like you're ignoring the article, but if you know something I don't, I'm all ears.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I haven't seen that reported anywhere. Source?

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