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[–] [email protected] 31 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's very hard to find the motivation to pay taxes to a federal government that doesn't represent me. "No taxation without representation" drove the revolution against our original king after all...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Now that it's clear the Federal government is just using tax money to give to billionaires, it's going to be extra painful this year. It genuinely just feels like a protection racket now. Pay money to the ruling class, or their enforcers will haul you away to prison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, were you of voting age in 2016?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

Yes, and I voted for Hillary, for all the good it did.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Taxes are not the problem. Billionaires grabbing the money on the other side are the problem.

Know the difference

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Dont forget actively using the government against the people

[–] CidVicious 2 points 18 hours ago

The people most capable of carrying the tax burden are the people most likely to cheat their way out of paying taxes.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago

I ended up owning $38

fucking win! I'm not going look at the total paid in thought, it's much much more than $1.2k

[–] [email protected] 156 points 1 day ago (16 children)

What a bizarre system. Tax should be taken from your payslip. There should be no need for the individual to figure out anything, unless they are self employed.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It is taken from the payslip. But then they have us verify what they already know and if you make a mistake you're punished for it! It's bullshit.

I want so bad for the US to do it the way every sane country does it; they just send me a thing so I can make sure they're accurate and only need to take action if they fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago

You can thank Intuit, the company behind TurboTax, for making taxes as difficult as possible. They spend a lot of money lobbying to make filing taxes more difficult.

[–] Shiggles 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Income tax always struck me as a deliberate way to make your average joe hate taxes when they could, very easily, be calculated at time of payroll without you ever being shown the “pre tax” amount.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I don't care about seeing the amount or not. I care that I have to deliberately set up my withholdings incorrectly to hopefully not end up owing too much more at the end of the year. If I set it up accurately I would end up owing thousands more.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

They do deduct taxes from your paycheck. Basically once a year, you have to true up and figure the exact amount you should have paid. If that's less than what was withheld, you get a refund.

[–] CidVicious 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Well plus there are taxable events that aren't on your payslip. If you sell goods over a certain threshold. If you get a taxable distribution from an investment account. Etc. Edit: also the IRS doesn't know about what you have that's eligible for deduction.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Isn't it actually better to owe rather than have a refund? Because if they owe you, then that means they over-withheld from you paychecks throughout the year and its essentially the government borrowing money from you without any interest.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

In the Norwegian tax system, if you pay too much taxes trough the year from your paycheck, you get interest on the amount you paid to much. Likewise, if you pay too little taxes throughout the year, you will have to pay interest on the amount you have yet to pay. So the system is supposed to be balanced in that regard. The interest is on the level of a savings account (3.51% annual atm), so you could make an argument that saving that in a index stock or good bond is a better ROI though, so still recommended to try to not pay too much during the year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The US federal government pays interest. The interest rates are quarterly.

I got paid interest on a tax correction & the rate was pretty good: over 5.5 APY, better than a high-yield savings account. I'll owe taxes on it, though.

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[–] Jyek 7 points 1 day ago

I look at it like a non-voluntary piggy bank. I set the amount I'm going to withhold from every pay check, and anything over, gets given back. Sure it's interest free but if you look at an actual bank, interest rates on that money sitting in a savings account is pennies. And if you're someone who is bad at not spending your money, having it held for you with no real way to withdraw it is helpful when budgeting.

Besides, it's easy to over pay, it's pretty difficult for most people to net zero on tax payments without ending up owing money. And the amount you owe, could be something you hadn't budgeted for. I owe $450 this year. I don't really know where I'm getting that money. Most people will be less happy owing money than over paying and getting a refund.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Don’t worry DOGE will fix that and every American will get a refund!

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