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[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Emulated games are free, polished, complete

Modern games are $80+ steaming incomplete pile of shit

This mystery will never be solved.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I assume they're referring to actual hardware. I'd imagine the percentage of gamers playing emulated games is much higher than 14%.

Edit: Found the article

It appears I am correct.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Modern games: requires $300+ game console or a $300+ GPU to get 30 FPS

Retro games: runs on your grandma's Dell Pavilion still running Windows XP that she refuses to stop using, gets 50/60 depending on region

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[–] Gullible 53 points 4 days ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago

It should! It's allowed me to play so many games that are hard to find or expensive these days.

[–] otp 18 points 4 days ago

The survey question seems to make it seem like it's referring to original hardware, but I imagine a lot of respondents didn't limit it that way.

With emulation being common even officially these days (NSO, emulated games on Steam, etc), I think it's fair to factor that in as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

I still own my real SNES from circa-1995, but I'd rather play on an emulator than put wear and tear on it, so yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The percentage should be way, way higher, then, since lots of people use the emulators on Nintendo Switch Online.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Given that nowhere in the article does it say that 14% of people exclusively play on pre-2000 hardware I don't find this that surprising.

I'm more shocked by the last statistic, 11% of American households still use fax. Fax? Fuckin' why? That's like saying people still listen to music on Edison cylinders.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Signatures as a form of authorization I think held up the facsimile tech way past it's best by date

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

"Still" is really not the way to phrase it.

A good chunk of the people playing on retro systems never even owned half the systems back in the day which they have collected now. Or they might be new people getting into the hobby who perhaps weren't even born when those systems were current.

People can't "still" be doing something that they were NOT doing before!

It's such a strange way of looking at a hobby which is more popular now than it ever was.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People can't "still" be doing something that they were NOT doing before!

An individual cannot but a group of people can.

“Children are still fascinated by sticks” is as true as always, even though the individual children have mostly grown up, grown old, and died.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hate this >:( Let me exaplain myself. What I hate is that way that people see videogames, like, if you play something old you are stuck in the past, but hey! If you read a book that is 100yo or watch a movie that is 40yo it is okay! but if you play in atari, what are you? a caveman?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That stigma seems to be getting slightly better, but it's always bothered me.

"OMG you've been playing that game for hours! Why don't you go DO something! You're rotting your brain!!" -Someone who's about to sit in front of the TV until they fall asleep.

[–] skulblaka 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just openly laughed right at them when I was told that, especially because my dad was no longer able to keep up with my math homework by the seventh grade.

These days I'm out on my own, with a house and a fiancée, still play video games as a primary hobby, and he's a Trump voter in a shitty apartment that doesn't talk about anything except crying about all the n[REDACTED]s and transes. One of us sure rotted his brain and I'm pretty confident saying it probably wasn't me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

For a second I thought "he" was your fiancée. The trump voter. I was like "why would you marry a...... Oh, he means his dad."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

What I hate is that way that people see videogames, like, if you play something old you are stuck in the past

I must not operate in those circles. I've never heard that before, but I'm also old and playing old games and fewer newer ones.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

I care more about the backups of my ROM collection than I do about my tax returns or resume or other "important" crap.

If I can't just decide to replay Mario 2 or Simon's Quest or Chrono Trigger or Symphony of the Night when I'm in my 70s, then what is all this fancy technology we've invented really good for?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just because a game is old doesn't mean it's not fun. How old are the board and card games again?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hell, chess is huge right now, and it's over 1500 years old.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget Backgammon. World's oldest board game!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Is it older than the Royal Game of Ur?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’ve been playing Zombies Ate My Neighbors on original hardware today haha. On my old Apple color monitor.

I mostly game on old systems or my steam deck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh man such a great game. Great couch co-op.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I tormented my poor daughter with it when she was younger. I did not have the patience to get her through it lol.

Now that she’s older we do great.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how many people "still" drive cars "released" before 2000?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I do. I don't want or need top notch graphics. My ps5 collects dust.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Gameplay is always king.

Graphics can contribute a lot - some games are fucking gorgeous, and I'll stop and appreciate good scenery in digital environment the same as IRL.

But jaw-droppingly incredible graphics can never compensate for bad or even mediocre gameplay.

And shit graphics will never kill a game with good gameplay. Done right, shit graphics can even be charming in a nostalgic kind of way.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Red Alert 2 on a 4090

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

The PS1, N64, Saturn, and the Dreamcast are pre 2000 systems.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That.. doesn't sound right. 14% is a ridiculous amount of people.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Source: https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/02/14-percent-of-north-americans-still-play-gaming-systems-released-before-2000

References this site: https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/media-formats/holding-on-to-physical-media-a3747629925/

Actual data here: https://article.images.consumerreports.org/image/upload/v1718112414/prod/content/dam/surveys/Consumer_Reports_AES_May_2024.pdf

Actual question references "Classic videogame systems that came out before 2000, like the NES or GameBoy" and "used at home in the past year" of which 14% responded yes out of a group of 2022 surveyed in North America (demographic details available in link).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

My wireless snes controllers just came in yesterday. Love em.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Famicom owner checking in.

[–] SapphironZA 6 points 3 days ago

Come on, Call of Duty is not that old! /s

The problem is people keep buying new versions of the same games released around 2000.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I really need to get around to buying a SNES. I have an NES as well but it’s dead. eBay the best spot to get either of these consoles?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My brother and I have opposing views on this.

He likes to collect hardware. He loves buying old systems and cartridges.

I like to collect software. Very few games are worth much to me individually, but I love the ability to fire up any old game when it pops in my head.

I ended up buying an SNES Mini on eBay that was jacked and loaded with ROMs from EVERY system it was capable of running. I understand wanting the original hardware, but for me, getting EVERYTHING preloaded for about $200 just made more sense for me.

I have bought two of those hacked systems from the same seller. I can check if they still offer them, and share a link to the product, but only if someone asks for the info. I'm not trying to promote anyone, but I feel like this is a market that could be prone to fakes, and I personally would appreciate someone suggesting a trustworthy seller.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do that, but get a Raspberry Pi and put ROMs on it yourself instead of buying shady, possibly backdoored stuff.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

That's a great solution as well, but the mini has no internet connection, so there's no "backdoor."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm still trying to find a place that can resurrect my Atari 7800.

I have so many games for it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Without piracy and the industry wanting to move digital only we are doomed.

Keyword: "without".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean you OWNED the games after purchase back then, now the publishers and game studios can revoke your "purchased" license anytime...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The physical medium is a license as well. But that's semantics. We can all agree if you own physical, it cant be (realistically) taken away. You can still own physical. You can still take that power back (unless the game requires online). When I got a PS5, I was planing on finally ending my attachment to physical discs... but I just couldn't do it. To this day, I still buy PS5 discs, I haven't spent anything on PSN, but had PS+ for maybe two years and Im well aware those PS+ games were transactional. I cant do that anymore on PC so if steam dies, so does my library. At least my physical discs will be OK. Now on to my next fear... disc rot. Will I actually be able to boot up the Halo 3 DVD when im 80 and play it?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

And some people play poker, or even chess. What can you do, people like old stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I like old and new. I love my retro emulators (which I put a lot of effort into setting up just right; and I'd love some original hardware if I could afford it). I also love my PS5.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

GBC almost exclusively these days, I just can't devote the time to things like Morrowind anymore as much as I want to. I do want to hack my OG Xbox and run Voodoo Vince, Psychonauts, and Gauntlet: Dark Legacy again, but then that only brings me up to like 2003.

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