How fucking hard would it be to spin up a Lemmy instance, you know? Conservatives too fucking stupid to buy hosting and run an install package lol
this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2025
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iirc there used to be a far right instance on Lemmy displaying Nazi imagery and shit, but they got defederated by almost everyone else and they're either banned in Germany now or the instance is dead
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Unpopular opinion, but I don't really mind them, for now. They are not that imposing and I like to see the other viewpoint occasionaly, as I don't use other social networks. Makes me feel like I'm in less of a bubble here.
I'm okay with downvotes.
How can you look at what is happening in the US and say they are not imposing?
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I'm okay with downvotes.
There are almost none and this seems to be a popular opinion!
Agreed. Lemmy feels very homogenous. A few dissenting viewpoints is healthy.
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small c individual conservatives, sure. I count a few as my friends.
Big C Donald Trump, JD Vance, Musk, Bezos, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Theresa May, Marine Le Pen etc? Fuck offff
Also known as aspiring nahtCs
Musk? Aspiring? We're about 6 years past that point.
Old conservatism was people advocating for individual choice and less government intervention.
Misguided, sure, but a healthy check on expanding government into places it didn't need to be and advocating for the "ideal" capitalism that drives competition and innovation.
For as long as it has existed conservatism has been poisoned by religion of and in the last 50 years it as a party line has descended into incoherence, but it's interesting to see the best-faith arguments it has as a little contrast to my left wing bubble.
Old conservatism was defending the monarchy.
The whole "advocating for individual choice and less government intervention" thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn't elitist and abhorrent.
Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, "should we be doing this?", "Should it cost that much?", "Do we have something that does this already?".
Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.
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Im wary of echo chambers and it's so incredibly easy to find yourself in them nowadays. It's always good to be around dissenting opinions and have discussions with the other side. Obviously there's a limit with hostility and all that but assuming civility it is pretty much always better to not be completely surrounded with people that think just like you.
The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.
Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that's one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That's why so many kids become more progressive in college - it's often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don't look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you're on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you're exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don't need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you're building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.
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Meh. Lemmy is for them too, even if they are outnumbered.
Does...does it have to be?
I kinda want them here so they can be exposed to leftist ideas and become thigh-high wearing, Linux using furries.
But that's probably just me huffing hopium
"I can fix them..." ~Common thought in an abusive relationship
It's not going to work, at best they see themselves as a "missionary" whose purpose is to convert us from our "ways" and they're not going to allow themselves to be converted.
Conservatives do change. Exposure is key. We're where we are at because the rich have isolated us in echo-chambers. Speaking as a former conservative whose entire family across 3 generations shifted to the left. I caution your thinking they're a lost cause.
It's less about an abusive relationship and getting them therapy.
Some can and do, increasingly we're in an age where conservativism is a dogma akin to a religion (and often entwined with it, of course) and that won't change. I don't think we need to shun all conservatives but we need to have a low tolerance for them if they don't show that inclination. Being conciliatory to these people, by and large, is what has gotten us to this point
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They are not conservatives because they haven't "heard the good word", to borrow a phrase. Decades of pop culture and daily life have delivered the message that you should be a decent person, accept differences, treat others with the respect and dignity, and help those in need. They grew up exposed to those messages in movies, tv, comic books, and from their teachers, families, and mentors. They chose to disregard or actively oppose those messages. And they choose to keep doing it every day. They are just broken people. They are disgusted by those notions. They want to rid those messages from media and public discourse altogether. That's what all the anti-woke shit is. A rejection of decency, acceptance, and the desire to fix injustices. I don't have patience or the time in the day to read their bad faith self-righteous bullshit opinions that are both wrong on the face of it, and usually divorced from reality entirely. Fuck em.
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Depends. Do you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of opinion? Do you want the Fediverse to be an open, decentralized protocol?
ngl I dont wanna be somewhere where furries or conservartives are the main audience, we gotta have a middle ground lol
Free and welcoming are two extremely different things. I want conservatives to be free to come to Lemmy, I do not want conservatives to be welcome to come to Lemmy.
fascists and their sympathizers (also fascists) should not feel comfortable in polite company. I am saying this very diplomatically.
There is a social contract, and those who break the social contract are not protected by its rules. Fascists don't treat people with respect and deserve none in kind. Because respect is a two-way street.
If a Nazi sits down at a table and nobody objects, you have a table full of Nazis.
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They're absolutely free to spin up their own Lemmy instances. However, that doesn't mean other instances have to host their comms or federate with their misinformation spreading instances
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They can go to Reddit or x or one of the many other services the conservatives own. They should have a miserable time existing outside their walled safe spaces until they decide to stop being evil filth.
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The funny thing is how … not even far… rather how crazy IMHO it seem to have gone.
I like reading conservative stuff; I like being challenged in my opinions and thinking…
But browsing through r/conservative was an effing joke - all woo and no substance
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They get the hint that they need to turn off displaying vote scores?
These are people ostracized from less extreme groups. The only places they find acceptance is with people like them, leading to an echo chamber where the most insane ideas can fester and grow. I think the solution to the issue of having extremists among us is to do the hardest imaginable thing and accept them into our communities and keep it positive and short when correcting things. "I hope that kind of thing doesn't hurt a lot of people." Or whatever. We're silly animals who will do anything to be accepted by our chosen group including learning to think differently.
Yes, but boundaries are extremely important if you're going to do it. 100% agree that people become extremists in the first place because an extremist group welcomed them with open arms when no one else would. But you run the risk of falling into the tolerance paradox...under no circumstances should anyone's intolerance be tolerated.
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My question is why are they so mad about banning X links?
Because it harms Nazi daddy Elon
A lot of them have this sort of humiliation fetish so you can sometimes just bully them into the less shit opinion if you degrade them enough.