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Summary

President Joe Biden leaves office with a legacy of leading the U.S. out of the COVID-19 pandemic, advancing infrastructure, semiconductor manufacturing, clean energy, and rallying global support for Ukraine.

However, since live television’s rise more than half a century ago, the skills needed to run for president have diverged from those required to govern.

This led many voters to doubt his capability despite his achievements, forcing him to withdraw from the 2024 race.

Meanwhile, voters have been less critical of Donald Trump’s age, overlooking unpopular policies like tariffs that hurt farmers and manufacturing.

Many Republicans and independent voters accepted Trump’s false claims about the 2020 election being stolen and justified the January 6 Capitol attack, enabling his return to office.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Biden's legacy: being a competent administrator put in a role that required principles and decisive leadership.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

Biden's legacy is releasing the judge who sold kids, and building more roads for the homeless to sleep on

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Biden's Legacy: Fucked around too much in the center and now we all get to find out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

I think we all know the real legacy of genocide joe.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 22 hours ago

Biden's legacy: Rescuing America from a criminal, doing absolutely nothing about it, and being replaced by that exact same criminal

[–] [email protected] 18 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The Pandemic is still here. All he did was literally what trump wanted to do. Pretend like its gone. No osha guidelines for clean air and co2 level requirements. No upgrades to HVACs and air purifiers in schools, grocery stores, or government buildings.

Millions of Americans getting long covid every year. Millions of Palestinians displaced and getting killed. Did nothing to get the tech oligarchs to lose power or their monopolies. Didn’t use his new presidential immunity to stop a fascist wannabe dictator from taking power. Didn’t even come out to protect americans first amendment by protecting tiktok and gave that win to Trump who is the reason it got banned in the first place. Didn’t push to legalize marijuana. Didnt do shit for universal healthcare. Fuck Biden.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I agree with most of your litany, but...

Didn’t even come out to protect americans first amendment by protecting tiktok

Shutting down foreign influence operations and propaganda outlets has nothing to do with the first amendment, any more than prosecuting a slander case does.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Multiple politicians have explicitly come out and said it was because they couldn't control the images of genocide coming out of Israel, and it was turning people against Israel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

They would’ve shutdown Facebook if that’s what they were doing. Its the only platform that has been proven to be used for foreign influence to possibly change the outcome of the US election.

Or you know, pass data protection legislation and transparent algorithm legislation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

Didn't do shit for student loans despite using that as a carrot for both the general and midterms, then claimed he was doing so much when all he was doing was acting in accordance with policies passed by previous administrations.

Didn't tell the truth about his cognitive condition until well after the primaries, meaning Americans didn't have a choice in the primary and Kamala's candidacy was hamstrung from the start. Therefore we got Trump 2.0. I'd bet money she could have won the general if she wasn't a nominee by default (I'd've voted for someone else in the primary, but I think she could have won it).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Funding the Palestinian genocide.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, it was wrong of the US to send weapons, but Netanyahu would have gone ahead with the genocide regardless of what the US did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

No he wouldn't have.

Israel is a client state that is completely dependant on the US for weapons and money.

That is why every war they've ever fought was forcibly ended by US presidents.

Most recently with single phone calls as seen in the Reagan administration, the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration.

Your take is ahistorical nonsense that can only come from either complete ignorance of recent history or a bad faith attempt to justify Biden's desire to commit genocide.

EDIT: we don't just give them weapons. Slightly over a third of ALL U. S. Foreign aid spending has gone to Israel.

[–] Bakkoda 5 points 9 hours ago

Man with limited bullets tries to rob bank.

Man with unlimited bullets robs bank and kills everyone.

You can see the difference right?

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Biden’s legacy: Merrick Garland’s DOJ that watched justice wither on the vine

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

There is no justice in the US. They just wanted to rub it in our faces.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

Trump is Biden's legacy. He is a miserable failure of historic proportion.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This led many voters to doubt his capability despite his achievements, forcing him to withdraw from the 2024 race.

Nope, factually incorrect. Nancy Pelosi of all people forced him to withdraw by saying she would leak the details of how terrible his internal polling data was.

He knew he could only lose but still refused to step aside.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

IMO his legacy is "yet another politician who merely craved power to no end and didn't know when to let go of it willingly."

He did okay with America's economy. He wasn't Donald Trump. Those are his main positives, and to be fair they're pretty decent ones. But turns out his negatives were big enough that people became interested in having Donald Trump back, which is a pretty damning indictment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago

Vaccines watching you give their credit to an old segregationist fuck

[–] pelespirit 21 points 1 day ago

He did some great things for our country. We'll never get perfect.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago

Biden mostly ignored covid like a dipshit. We needed and still need real leadership on it and he completely failed on that front.

He did some great things. Covid response isn't on the list.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

No good deed goes unpunished. Was he perfect? Of course not.

We aren't supposed to point out that voters can often be stupid (insert Otto in A Fish Called Wanda screaming "don't call me stupid"!!!), but....look, they had a tantrum over things like egg prices and a situation in Israel that is not likely to get any better under the convicted felon, and many stayed home, voted some useless "protest" vote, or outright voted for the orange dickhead, in order to "teach them a lesson", or somesuch...

I'm sure that will be cold comfort.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You misspelled genocide as situation.

You know, the one that Steve Witkoff forced Israel to at least temporarily end with a single phone call, something Biden could have done at any time.

This is the same peace deal Hamas agreed to since February.

Biden's so called "bear hug" strategy was just a way for him to justify a genocide he wanted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

They didn't want to teach anyone a lesson, that was just a fig leaf. They wanted Trump to come in, persecute people and break things. The electoral mood was ugly, mean and bloodthirsty.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The fact that the "situation in Israel" was apparently something to be ignored by both parties doesn't make ignoring it okay.

Hand waving away genocide just tells the democrats they can keep prioritizing everything except what voters actually want. They are to blame for this fiasco and no one else.

It is literally their job during elections to get votes. Instead, thinking they had a home run, they offered the status quo with a side of dead children to appease their sponsors. What a joke.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

They didn't handwave it away, they funded it loudly and proudly

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

And Trump will double down on it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was never about egg prices.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think for some percentage of donvict's marks it was. They are gonna be disappointed, I'll bet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I actually expect them to make some superficial law about some of these, like decreeing that eggs can't be priced more than $4 a dozen or something. They'll do nothing about the hard problems underlying high consumer prices, but they'll grift out a fake "win."

Not a priority, lots of democracy to dismantle, but maybe a few months before midterms?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

they’ll grift out a fake “win.”

Too much effort. He'll just lie.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

since live television’s rise more than half a century ago, the skills needed to run for president have diverged from those required to govern.

This has been all too true and a big reason candidates seem to keep getting worse, but it’s been dialed up a notch by streaming media. I’d go further: since streaming’s rise a decade or so ago, the skills needed to run for president have diverged from any ethical humanity

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

The meme history says otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Biden's Legacy?
Blood on hands (ultra zionist), selfish (youth? he forgot), last 1 year shows he wasn't fit for the job (the debate disaster, overall stiffness), didn't fix (or started to fix) homelessness, healthcare (still isn't universal), house shortage (rather landlords greed), Police brutality, public transportation, no tax rise for the rich and corpos, low DOT standards for SUVs, had clown Blinken in the Government, son's pardon.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago

This is a bury-your-head-in-the-sand level of denial.

His legacy is genocide.

Nothing else… if you engage in genocide that’s the only legacy you get.

Everything else gets overshadowed and forgotten.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Once Corporate America told Biden to stop caring about Covid. He just left people to suffer on their own and people to show up to work sick.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In what way did he "rescue us from COVID"? The US policy was to just let 'er rip.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

fr, it’s still ravaging the country and people are still dying from it. What rescue?!