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I liked the movie. The metaphor was as subtle as a club to the forehead, but it was entertaining and meaningful.
The unsubtlety of the metaphor is the metaphor though.
I honestly think this will be a future classic if society survives long enough for such things.
The metaphor was as subtle as a club to the forehead
Count me in as someone who missed the club to the forehead. I enjoyed the whole movie, then said to my wife "wow they really went hard on drawing all those parallels to COVID."
My wife nicely informed me that the movie was actually about climate change.
It's mostly about climate change, but I don't think you missed it if you thought Covid.
Not subtle enough. Some conspiracy theorists think it’s about the Covid vaccine.
That's my issue with the movie. People who don't believe in climate change aren't going to have their mind changed by a club, but need to be tricked with something subtle. Nothing entrenches someone deeper into their views then calling someone an idiot or telling them they're wrong. The movie represents everything that's wrong with how progressives and the "liberal elite" like McKay try and convince people to come to their side. If anything, this movie probably just furthered the divide. Having Leo in it probably didn't help, conservatives love to point out the hypocrisy of his private jet and yacht.
I say this as someone who worked on the Bernie Sanders campaign and have talked to him about how to change non-progressives minds, although I'm not sure he's made much progress either. Maybe a little more than McKay.
So who is this movie for, if not to sway climate deniers? If it was really intended to let a liberal audience grandstand and circlejerk about how they're so much smarter then everyone else (which I'm not denying), then I guess it did a pretty good job of that.
Edit: full disclosure as a movie also didn't enjoy it, jokes were kinda too on the nose. Also just felt and looked like a Netflix movie, kinda plastic. Idiocracy was way funnier.
Sometimes it's nice for people who believe in climate change to get a little validation, as a treat.
*Points at LA firestorm*
Take the treats back!
I’m tired of being validated year after year with record temperatures and disasters.
So who is this movie for, if not to sway climate deniers?
This might sound crazy....but this movie is for people who like watching movies....
Right? It is a comedy by Adam McKay. That alone is enough to draw an audience.
Does a movie need to do anything else other than be entertaining?
I doubt the idea was to actually change anyone's mind.
I don't think it's made to change anyone's mind. It's made for people who recognize the issue and are angry at the lack of progress. It's just a but of funny stress relief for those people, while also saying "yes, it's and issue and it sucks." It's a "preaching to the choir" movie, and the choir appreciates being preached to sometimes.
the movie was gloriously frustrating.
Great description of it.
I can't bring myself to watch it. I saw a trailer, and my blood started to boil.
it does... but while it does, it still is a movie that sticks with you in other ways....
20 years ago it would have been considered a farce!
I didn't really know what it was about, and I watched it shortly after the November elections. I thought it was funny, but did I ever pick a bad time to watch it. It lost a lot of the overall joke feeling and while still farcical, now it's a little too close to reality.
That's how I feel, too. I appreciate the movie, but god will I never watch it again. It caused so much dread in me.
This movie is painful to watch. I'm sort of glad for those who don't have children.
I think this is complimenting the movie, but I'm uncertain of your intent.
Yes, it is a compliment to the movie. It's mostly Climate Change for me, as I live in a coast area where we already suffered all sorts of things because of it. But it seems there is little can be done to stop those who chose to ignore the evidences.
Edit: And sorry for my English if I haven't explant myself better. It is far from my first language.
There is no need to apologize for your language. I don't know what your native one is, but I'm sure I'd be far less competent in yours than you are in mine. Well done for conveying your message!
I'm sorry about what you seem to be describing as a fairly hopeless environment. May I ask whereabout you are?
Yeah audience scores are my jam. Critics have failed me time and time again.
What is up with that??? Lately I find myself aligning a lot more with audience scores. Movies that critics are rating high leave no impression on me anymore and I'm an obsessed movie watcher.
It feels like critics are too busy huffing their own farts and generally audience scores are a larger sample size
I couldn't make it through, that whole start scene with the suited cunts talking over and mocking just triggered huge aggro.
I found it difficult to watch when i did due to the situation, maybe not right in covid but not out of it either. As depressing as it made me feel at points (girlfriends choice of movie so had to sit through it but we alternate so only fair) I found it amusing that while plainly satire the actual dialogue and actions were pretty much what at least one democratically elected administration showed during a huge crisis. If it aired 10 years previous it'd probably be in the bin of crappy spoof movies for being so ridiculous and maybe get a cult folowing, yet it was practically a documentary with the situation changed.
I can understand not feeling comfortable due to the triggering in it though, it wasn't exactly a fun watch even if it was a comedy.
Oh I'm disgusted by that behaviour irl, so i'm disgusted by it on screen. I do not think i'm the target audience for this film, i consider climate deniers to be traitors against humanity
It wasn't till I read you original comment that I remembered how awful I felt at one point watching it, I get it and understand not wanting to subject yourself to that sort of feeling willingly. Thankfully it passed and I was able to watch, but I won't say I enjoyed it, just that in an art sense it has merit.
Critics didn't like it? I've seen it twice and think it's great!
Critics didn't like it? Say less! I'm in!
For real though, film critics are largely useless these days. It's like they can't tell the difference between a film made for Cannes and a film made for a lazy Sunday afternoon. Not everything needs to be deep and meaningful on a personal level. Films shouldn't be penalized for not being something they were never intended to be.
I get what you're saying but film critics don't rate for enjoyment or suitability in some situations but for the quality of the film.
The Cannes film probably is objectively better as a work of cinematic art and worthy of the 9.2 score whereas your lazy Sunday afternoon flick is a 6.8.
If you're feeling lazy and don't want to think much then pick whatever because that critic rating says nothing about the enjoyment value of the film.
It's like restaurants. No-one is going to argue that a Michelin star restaurant isn't a more refined experience than the pizza shop down the street. But 90% of the time you'd prefer a pizza. But celebrating a 40th birthday, let's go fancy.
When your movie is on the frontpage of Netflix with a handful of A listers and effectively "free", a half billion views is actually not that great. You were handed success on a silver platter.
Pretty sure that every Netflix movie does not get 500,000,000 views.
But on the other hand I don't think it's entirely fair to dismiss a number that high. I think it kind of reads like a film most people wouldn't necessarily watch if they viewed any info about it before watching it
I only saw it cause it got a Oscar nomination and agree with the critics on this one.
It all felt a little off, like it was trying to be too many things at once. It jumped back and forth between what felt like parody/comedy/drama to the point it failed to do any particularly well. Or maybe it was a little too surreal to pull off the seriousness of the topic.
The vibe that I feel McKay was going for is the Simpsons meme with Ralph on the bus chuckling about being in danger. It feels like a dramedy, but so close to reality that you can't help but have that reaction. It's not necessarily a call to action, just a hey wake up and see how close we are to this shit.
People who are convinced Climate change is a thing, don't need this kind of movies to act. People who are convinced Climate change is a hoax took this movie like an insult to their kind. You need to be a better storyteller if you're going to convince people are in the wrong, according to you, about something, otherwise they feel attacked
Fair, but I think there's still value in satire like this even if it doesn't achieve the goal of convincing the other side. It kinda serves to point at the absurdity from a fresh perspective
You need to be a better storyteller if you’re going to convince people are in the wrong, according to you, about something, otherwise they feel attacked
or perhaps they should be better, more informed consumers?
like, at some point people should be responsible for their own stupidity and self delusions.
I once had a conversation with someone about a hypothetical thing and they said it was the plot of this movie.
I eventually watched it after that.
I just wanna die and join the absolute as described in the CIA Gateway Project files
It was a fun watch. I guess it hits different depending on where youre from.