I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you'd say something stupid to expose someone's cognitive dissonance.
Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.
this post was submitted on 11 Jan 2025
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Golden-age revisionism.
I think the default comment, even here, is "I disagree".
Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.
I disagree!
No you don't.
Gottem
Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies -- like giving thanks -- could be something more people could do.
You're doing it wrong.
Don't tell me what to do you... You jerkface! Yeah! How do you like that!?
I know that was devastating. You're devastated right now. Sorry.
That was perfect!
Except it's not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can't help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.
That's true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them "shove it in your face until you can’t help it".
Yet are we not on Lemmy, flooded with posts detailling every little thing that Musk and Trump do?
Sort of true, but the algorithm that Reddit-like platforms use is transparent and simple (it's just based on likes and dislikes, and I think you can even look up the source for the sorting modes) and hence doesn't directly try to feed you content that'd enrage you. I can just not read the posts about Musk and Trump, since I find most takes on the former bad and don't care much about the latter. Meanwhile, on platforms like Twitter or Tiktok you are directly fed content out of some recommendation ML model trained on user engagement.
(There's also subtler differences. For example, on Reddit/Lemmy/etc, if you hate a post you can dislike it, which will generally make it show up less to people. But on, say, Tumblr, not only are there no dislikes, but if you are really hate a post you can only respond to it by reposting it, therefore spreading it further among your followers! That's an absolutely devious platform-design move that could have been invented directly by Satan himself.)
Some people just have a ~~cuck~~ zuck fetish
And don't you dare say "fuck off, troll." You better treat that dishonest asshole in good faith, or else!
Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.
Deleting my Facebook account cleaned it up better for me.
That reminds me. My autistic brother in law deleted his Facebook and asked my wife if she would delete hers. She mods a small community she like being a part of so I can't blame her for not but I got permission to trash mine. Cya Facebook.
Fair enough xD
The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated
Kinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.
Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.
Some of the satire posted here sucks. isGlitch whiffs nine out of ten ideas. Hard Drive is just limp. The Hard Times fumbles half its weirdly specific music gags, and then somehow utterly nails politics.
There's a fine line between satire and being an idiot but on purpose.
I find it’s less common to find insistent users who refuse to read provided sources, or provide sources of their own, on Lemmy than on Facebook. It happens, but far less frequently than when I last used Facebook in 2015. Although my perspective may have been unique to my curated feed.
I think the smaller communities helps with giving eachother the benefit of the doubt. Like if I'm disagreeing with someone from my own insurance, or another small one I know is generally cool, I'll try much harder to figure out what their point is.
The flip side of that is people who think sources can support an illogical argument. Sources: think tank think tank WaPo.
I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It's resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it's their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don't understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It's funny how I reply seriously on this post. It's like I'm inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
There was a study done (can't find it anymore) that said to respond once to clarify and then walk away.
It is definitely victim blaming. Op thinks no one will notice what they are doing.
Oh come on, don't feed this troll...
Lol yeah that's what I was thinking. This is one of those posts where op thinks no one will notice they are trying to prove a point.
Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we're seeing is just the continuation of that.
This is a good point.
I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.
Ackshully that's called cyber bullying now