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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is great, should be implemented in all cities. Most people who can use public transport should.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not all cities are equal. Many have large areas with no public transportation available.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

That's also very easily fixable

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I get suggested to drive for 11 minutes and ALSO take a lyft if I wanted to use public transportation to get to work.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Do you always go to work in the middle of the night on a Sunday?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

In SF they allocated some extra carpool lanes (taken from the total number of highway lanes) and started calling them "express lanes" instead of carpool lanes. Everybody cheered-- because transit hipstering is a great thing for the people who it actually works well for in our mediocre system. I guess everytone else is SOL. In SF it started out that you could still use them for free if you had 2 people in the car. Now its 3 people minimum to ride free, and the prices crept higher. Now you'll very often see all non-express lanes stopped with traffic but the price for express lanes high and the express lanes clear of traffic-- that road throughput capacity underused. Its become a rich persons lane, at the cost of reducing capacity of the total system. When it got put in they said the max would be $8.00, shortly after they doubled that, with no max per day. Fees rack up since they charge over short distances. Now I've started seeing express lanes on main thoroughfares that arent highways.

Theres a patchwork of diconnected and not well thought out transit systems, with little hope of retrenching them to have usable coverage like NYC has. You'll end up using an uber or taxi to get to your final destination most of the time, and parking at transit stations is difficult, time consuming, and expensive.

This is not the solution you think it is. It just makes things better for the rich, and does nothing for the poor and middle class. This is like the "clear" lane at the airport security. Once its in, its not going away. Pricing is not in the control of people who have your best interests at heart. If you're poor, your time is not worth as much as a rich persons. They are commoditizing the hours of your life and many of you cheer for it. Without progressive pricing for this you're just getting fleeced.

The funds created arent going toward new projects . They are used for road maintenance, enforcement, and debt repayment in the county where the road is This simply frees up general funds that had been used for that before these went in, so no direct benefit in terms of transit projects is mandated.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As I understand it, poor and middle class people are already taking public transit. It's the rich people who are driving in New York. This is making it easier for deliveries, taxis, buses, and emergency vehicles to get through by getting all of the entitled rich people off the road.

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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As someone who takes public transit into SF every work day. It exists. It works. It's faster than driving

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Fixing traffic by... discouraging people from driving, lol. Well I'm not complaining.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (4 children)

See the Congestion Pricing Tracker for day by day measurements of the impact on congestion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

This is an incredible resource. Love stuff like this And I pin this comment if I had that power.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sam from Wendover did a very good job explaining why Congestion Pricing is the best solution to address this particular problem, including arguments on why this is not a regressive tax when you analyze it closely.

Canonical YouTube link so you can use your favorite Invidious/Piped instance https://youtu.be/B2j-LgcA7Gk

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Now do the Van Wyck. Disincentivizing cabs, livery, rideshare, car service, whatever else constantly clogs that that few miles of road that takes 25-30 minutes could be done in five.

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