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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/52214419

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

so what was that some stop hitting yourself stuff then????

[–] Skiluros 34 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is madness. I read a lot of 20th century history and it almost feel likes we are in 1913 or 1937 (or a strange combination of both).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Makes me wonder if it’s going to be like this every 100 years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

Not to worry, there are enough nukes in the world to make sure that there will be an end...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago

It is. Once the generation that lived the highlight of the bad times (in this case the last great war) die, then we keep repeating the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Both of them are idiots. Both are spreading lies and propaganda. It's totally obvious that Hitler was not a communist. He murdered thousands of german communists. He campaigned during the elections of the 20s against them. He waged war against the USSR. Musk and Weidel are dangerous idiots.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

I think they are both very smart and see the opportunity social platforms and hate speech gives them to ride on human basic emotions toware power.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago

Elon is an idiot with too much power. Weidel is dangerous. She purposefully and strategically deploys this rethoric. The nazis weren't stupid, they were really smart in how they achieved some of their goals. They were evil.

She got everyone to talk about this, even tough the substance was basically zero. This will get amplified to everyone, the poeple who know this is bullshit knew beforehand but it shifts the overtone window ever so slightly

That is important.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

You'll be hard-pressed to find any conservative that will admit that Fascism is a far-right reactionary ideology (at least here in the US where I am, I'm really curious about European conservatives too).

Many of them are just playing games, but a fair number really just think fascism = bad = communism.

For what it's worth, I think Musk is playing cryptofascist games, but it really doesn't matter much which one is true. This is a fairly common thing in US rhetoric, but I don't know if it'll play in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Here in Germany the current big "conservative" (which is increasingly radicalizing itself to the right) party, the CxU, is taking notes big time from US political rhetoric and they're far from the only ones doing it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Weidel is extremely dangerous but unfortunately not dumb

[–] [email protected] 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Two fascists agree Hitler was a communist.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago

Concentration camps offer free housing, after all.

Check mate, lefties!!!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And what are they trying to get at? Communism good? Hitler good?

Do they understand what each thing means?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 15 hours ago

"Nazis are communists (and communists are bad) + We're not communists = We're not Nazis (and not bad)" maybe, same stupid "logic" as "the Nazis were actually socialists, they even had it in their party name!"

[–] [email protected] 38 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

go study that book 1984 by george orwell and you'll understand what's going on

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Trump used mein kampf, mush uses 1984, who's up for a brave new world? Or is that the baseline for our society already...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago

Could really go for some soma right now

[–] JadenSmith 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I personally believe The Hungry Caterpillar is a social commentary.

I was radicalised by the apple.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

I'm starting to wonder if they actually think Hitler was a communist to their idea of fascism.

Hitler instituted policies that at least got the Aryan German people to favor him - I don't see Elon or Trump even going that far.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

Not the Onion?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

It's easy for Elon Musk to confuse communism and the ultra-capitalism that made him nauseatingly rich: under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's the opposite.

As a token minority with a Stockholm syndrome, Alice Weidel should know the difference though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Proof that education does not equate to intelligence.