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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] brbposting 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For me its the "different recipe, nothing to do with macaroni cheese".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Important to point out that he isn't saying that she is wrong for doing that, it's just a different recipe, don't call it British Mac&cheese!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Italians demand our respect for their culinary traditions when Carbonara is literally a ~~19th~~ 20th century invention. Ridiculous! Next time I'm having pasta, I'm putting ketchup on it to intentionally dishonor them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

20th, not 19th. The first mention of the dish by that name is from just after WWII.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good catch, I tend to get those mixed up. Will fix

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

No worries, 's all good. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Give it some fancy name and call it a new dish.

Something like "Maccaronara al Heinzorino"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I'd eat that honestly

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Call me a sinner but I love cream in my carbonara. Im ok with it having another name tho, that way people wouldnt get angry

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Only jackass' high on their own farts gets pissed about someone else adding variation to a dish

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same goes with pineapple on pizza.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, cream on Hawaiian pizza is terrible.

[–] erusuoyera 5 points 1 month ago

It's excellent on an artichoke pizza though.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who is Ara and why are you creaming her?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

She's into it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The people of Cremona are eying you suspiciously.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nothing I hate more than food snobs, put whatever you want in your food

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That sounds fucking delicious.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, that's just alfredo with bacon at that point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Original Alfredo also does not have cream. It's butter and parmigiano

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Original Alfredo is pretty much an American invention. There is a restaurant in Rome that makes "pasta al burro e parmigiano" but that's pretty much it. Americans took the dish, put cream and shit in it and gave it that name. They can keep it imo.

In Italy pasta Alfredo is more of a meme than anything else, and "pasta al burro" is made pretty much only when you are sick.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't add cream, but I make 'alfredo' as a milk sauce from butter, flour, lots of parm, and milk.

But I also add milk to my espresso, even if I do use an Italian Moka pot. They have a warrent for my arrest as we speak, lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

So you just make pasta with bechamel and parmigiano and drink caffè macchiato. You're fine, really.

Aside from the fact that, imo, there are better sauces for your pasta, you are not doing anything egregious, plus you can call Alfredo whatever you want. Nobody knows what it means anyway.

PS: coffee made with a moka pot in Italy is just called coffee. Espresso is made with an espresso machine that works at high pressure.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Last night, I watched Chinese Cooking Demystified's most recent video where they trace the history of mapo tofu to the best of their abilities. It was a fascinating watch where they had a particular recipe incarnation that defied their old definition of proper mapo tofu. At the end of the video they note how it's transformed over the years noting that there's an obsession these days for an authentic way of preparing dishes often using this point as a reason to criticize a dish. They aren't against criticizing a dish, but call for specific ciriticisms such as flavor balance or shape which is important in Chinese cuisine.

So I went looking though some critiques looking for something about how cream makes it too heavy or hides the flavor of this ingredient or that. What I found was something more exciting. This academic did a quick historical gloss of carbonara and found that several iterations of early carbonara included cream and other taboo ingredients like butter. It wasn't standardized into its canonical form until the 1990s.

Growing up in a traditional household, my parents never worked from recipes, but regularly made delicious dishes beloved by their friends and family members alike. Technique, ingredients, and interests ruled the day. Knowing how to bring out the flavors of the ingredients you had on hand to match each other made delicious food. And the lanes for dishes were much wider because the ingredient lists weren't as rigid. Obviously, a biriyani without rice be confusing if you dared serve it. But do you need kokum or can you use lemon juice? Is a carbonara still a carbonara with cream, with bacon instead of guancole, vegetarian? I don't know. Maybe I care less about the words coming out of my mouth than the food going in it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

At least he didn't suggest that health insurance should use a deny, delay, and defend strategy for insurance claim payments

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I thought for sure panel 3 would involve more violence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Italians and food are the worst. Let people enjoy what they want and stop acting like you’re top shit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I get especially annoyed when people act like because their great great grandparents on one side of their tree were Italian that they have some innate knowledge of pasta and sauce.

Like even if nonna learned from her nonna and you learned from her, theres still a non zero chance that great great nonna was a SHIT COOK.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like my steak well done. This is the best when you do it with some A5 Wagyu.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can enjoy what you want, just don't name it as something already stablished. Of ypu say you are doing a beef BBQ and suddenly you bring chicken saying "yeah we do beef with chicken in this house" is as stupid as someone adding extra ingredients into a dish and not changing the name.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Fuck the original recipe. I've never had better Alfredo or Carbonara than cooking the sauce myself using garlic, heavy cream, parmesan, and a bit of cornstarch slurry to help keep it from breaking.

Either that or we can give the cream version a different name and acknowledge it as a better dish than traditional Alfredo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i first read this comic as saying “ice cream in carbonara” and thought the injuries were justified. but after rereading it i’m not so sure anymore

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And then he goes and eats the spaghetti with a spoon smh 🤌. Btw I do the bacon cream kind of carbonara, I've had the 'real' one many times, good but not worth the extra effort (this one with only the yolks has got my attention). I wouldn't dare to serve it to an Italian tho, in fact I usually call it just 'cream and bacon' because the noise doesn't come just from Italians, there are lots of food snobs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's fair when you just use another name.

I'm not Italian but I find it highly annoying when restaurants offer carbonara but it turns out to be a cream based sauce - it just tastes different. Unfortunately here (mere 3h by car to Italy) most restaurants serve cream-carbonara.

So I never order it, it just make it at home. (And there's a trick to get a nice carbonara, I put the eggs and parmesan into a steel bowl and heat and whisk them "bain-maire" on top of the pot where the pasta is cooking (and add a bit of pasta water).

This makes a really creamy carbonara sauce. And I don't need to buy cream, normally I'm having eggs and parmesan available at home.

Oh and let the pasta steam out and cool down a bit before adding the sauce or it will curdle.

I did cream-based "carbonara" in the past, but for my taste this is so much better. And I don't feel the cream-less one is more work, ok I have one more bowl for the dishwasher.

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