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[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

I don't think they need cancer warnings, they needs "this very addictive substance can irreparably ruin your life if you don't moderate" warnings

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not Canadian, but I think that anyone who has watched a loved one suffer and wither and die in agony from cancer would argue that you deserve to know when you’re putting yourself at risk of that.

None of those warning labels seem excessive or pointless anymore after watching the last months of my father’s life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As long as the labels don't end up on absolutely everything like in California. It makes sense on things you actually consume, but a lot of other tech products and tools have the California warnings and it's become meaningless to me.

I have no way of knowing if just holding a thing increases my risk of cancer or if it's just an issue if I was to lick a surface or consume something inside. ~~I mean, aluminum apparently causes cancer?!?~~ ~~What can I even do with that information?~~

Edit: I read the wrong list, Aluminum is fine but other metals like Lead and Nickel are bad. The problem is the labels don't tell you what the danger is. Does the product have a literal lead weight inside that you'll never touch? Or is the outside coated in one of the other 600 cancer causing chemicals? (https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65chemicalslist.pdf)

Crazy that wood dust is on there. That explains why basically all IKEA furniture "may cause cancer"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Alcohol causes cancer, so yes.

[–] Enkers 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As a current imbiber, yes absolutely. In fact they should stick on a picture of a fatty liver disease liver vs a healthy one like they do on smokes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The idea that putting labels on every bottle is about "letting Canadians know and informing them better", is flat out horseshit.

That's what education campaigns are for. Putting labels on every bottle is about reminding / nagging people every single time they try and enjoy having a drink to try and make them enjoy it less and change their behaviour.

You can be on board with that or not, but let's stop lying with the 'its about education' comments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

I think you seriously underestimate the number of people who are completely unreachable with new information unless it is put directly in front of their faces.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Warning labels do work. Turn the bottle the other way or pour in a glass if you don’t want to see it. The doctor knows more than you do.

We found that graphic warnings had a statistically significant effect on smoking prevalence and quit attempts. In particular, the warnings decreased the odds of being a smoker (odds ratio [OR] = 0.875; 95% CI = 0.821–0.932) and increased the odds of making a quit attempt (OR = 1.330, CI = 1.187–1.490). Similar results were obtained when we allowed for more time for the warnings to appear in retail outlets.

https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/15/3/708/1091051

Pictorial warning labels proposed by FDA create unfavorable emotional reactions to smoking that predict reduced cigarette use compared to text alone, with even smokers low in self-efficacy exhibiting some reduction. Predictions that low self-efficacy smokers will respond unfavorably to warnings were not supported.

https://academic.oup.com/abm/article/52/1/53/4737219

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Where did I say that they didn't work?

I said that the method of working was through nagging, not education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I need to say that I adore how you have relentlessly asserted that it only counts as education if you’re told once and then never again, because putting a label on the bottle can’t possibly be a form of education.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Under previous guidance, the CCSA recommended a maximum of 10 standard alcoholic drinks per week for women and 15 for men. Now, it says no amount of alcohol is completely safe, and recommends a maximum of two drinks a week to stay within the lowest risk threshold.

I'm surprised it's that high.

I think it makes sense to put labels on alcohol though considering weed and cigarettes already have massive warning labels. Seems like legacy or grandfathered in policy that we don't already.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I wish they'd put the number of standard drinks on the can. Having to calculate it for a 500ml 6% drink or a 150ml 8% or whatever gets tedious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I suspect this is going to pull in two directions.

On the one hand, people are already developing some level of warning label fatigue, where they skim over the labels without registering the content just like they do on-line ads. (Both practices are doubtless known to cause cancer in California.)

On the other hand, there's a type of personality who may, in fact, change their minds about buying if presented with a short, sharp "this is bad for you" reminder on the way to the checkout.

Putting the labels on is, overall, a harmless experiment to try, so we might as well see if it does any good. Personally, I don't think we're going to see much change until we spend a couple of decades broadcasting and reinforcing the "no amount is safe" message, and even then many people will keep drinking. Just as there are still smokers today, even after many decades of "you will die horribly if you do this" messaging.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suspect that most people are already aware that alcohol is not good for one's health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

But it's becoming more accepted that it is specifically a cancer risk, and not just all the other bad things it does to you.