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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I've never heard of this until now, so take it with several grains of salt.

I'd imagine the complaints stem from the fact that she was never in charge of the country.
But then they should have complained when Ben Franklin was announced.
Or maybe they did complain when Ben Franklin was announced, but you can't really go "look at these bigots hating on Benjamin Franklin," so that wasn't shared around as much.
Of course even if that were the case, there would be people who draw the line at Tubman and not Franklin anyways, which could be a case of actual bigotry.
Or maybe a significant subset of the audience wasn't taught in school that Tubman was that influential, and sees this as blowing a historical figure out of proportion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

They also have Confucius in this one, who also only became popular after his death. When he was alive, he was just a middling beuracrat with a following of maybe a couple dozen people.

Don't think he got many complaints...

[–] agamemnonymous 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Ben Franklin could almost be considered something like a shadow leader, with very little direct power but a significant amount of political influence. I haven't played newer Civ, if a Ben Franklin play purely buffs soft power, trade/research agreements, etc, I could see this working. He was still an actual statesman though, so even still he's on paper a better choice. But he's not a great choice if the build isn't based on soft political influence. But Tubman just wasn't that kind of leader, what she did was amazing, but it wasn't really leadership of a civilization.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Ghandi was never a statesman.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

She may not be a state leader, but she is a spiritual leader and civ has had a lot of those. Some people lead with a military or beuracracy, but others lead by embodying a spirit, becoming a symbol of it and inspiring others to do the same. This spirit could be patriotic, religious, ethical or liberatory, either way a person's passion and commitment to, and articulation of that spirit can draw others in and spread its influence just as much if not more than a state institution.

In the same vein tubman is a leader so is confucius who is also in the new civ. During his lifetime he was just an advisor to a petty king who rarely listened to with a small following. But after his death he became a symbol of ethics whose spirit looms large over much of east Asia. His influence is far greater than the Zhou or any of the other kings of the spring and autumn, yet he ranked far below them during his time.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, Tubgirl would have been better!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

She gets knocked down, but she gets up again. You’re never gonna keep her down.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago

(song title is Tubthumping for anyone confused)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Harry Tubgirl.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Militaristic because she was a scout?

Seems like a stretch, cultural diplomacy seems more fitting

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

She would've been at Harper's ferry fighting with John Brown, if she hadn't fallen I'll. So it fits for sure, although I'm not sure if more than the others. She's an all-round badass

[–] ryedaft 2 points 4 hours ago

Get her a CEO and she'll shoot it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago

Meanwhile Guilty Gear has BEDMAN.

Who is, in fact, a man who is now a bed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

William Howard Taft was the real tub man leader.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago

Roosevelt walked so Taft could waddle. Teddy Roosevelt in Civ 6