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[โ€“] [email protected] 180 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

If people knew how much sugar and calories are in their drink maybe they would think twice

[โ€“] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was drinking a while claw with my mother-in-law, and reflected that 100 calories was pretty good.

She responded she preferred her normal vodka sodas because they have 0 calories...

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Honestly I wouldn't know if I didn't have to take nutrition 101 in college.

Actually who am I kidding if I didn't know I probably would've googled it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zero calories? 100 g of 60 % vodka is 370 calories

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[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are nutrition labels on alcohol in Europe, but people there drink as much as here.

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Europe drinks way more alcohol than North America

Excerpt from the article:

If you feel that Europeans drink a lot, your hunch is correct: people across the continent consume more alcohol than in any other part of the world. Each year in Europe, every person aged 15 and over consumes, on average, 9.5 litres of pure alcohol, which is equivalent to around 190 litres of beer, 80 litres of wine or 24 litres of spirits. Thatโ€™s according to the 2021 European health report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, just checked my beer. Lists ingredients and calories. In 2 langauges!

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The cans of beer that I buy have ingredients and nutrition info like a soda can does.

Haven't seen any on liquor bottles though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

I did not know that. That is nuts.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not having to list ingredients is a real pain if you have uncommon food allergies.

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[โ€“] tellah 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Meanwhile cannabis beverages are required to have:

-Nutrition facts including calories, sugar, etc.

-Gigantic yellow warning with random health warning (e.g., don't use if pregnant)

-Huge red stop sign cannabis leaf logo

-KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

-Big pain in the ass plastic childproof thing

None of these required on a can of beer.

From a harm reduction perspective, it's a massive failure. Many cannabis beverages have very low nearly zero calories, sugar-free. For your physical health they are almost certainly less harmful than alcohol and I know many people would enjoy them as an alternative to alcohol.

We have faced a similar failure in harm reduction strategy regarding vaping versus tobacco. I think in both cases it's a result of vested interests (tax revenue, lobbying, don't know) trumping what is best for people.

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The way Canada has handled cannabis legalization is embarrassing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We're still ahead of the people who haven't legalised it or even criminalise it, though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To who? Because we're still the only country with it fully legalized for recreational use. I fail to see how that's embarrassing at all.

We used to have weird rules on alcohol too, and just like those, cannabis rules have been getting better as time has gone on. You can't expect a world first system to be perfect right out of the gate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems good to me. If people want it they can get it now.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah federally across the whole country? Sounds terrible.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would like a ban on advertising, too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like a ban on all forms of advertising.

Marketing is nothing more than getting people to buy stuff they do not need.

It is the reason we live in a consumer culture, and is the force behind some of the biggest problems humanity faces today.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I think alcohol advertising will eventually be banned but it'll take a long time. Governments are addicted to the revenues.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it would be weird reading that smoking alcohol is dangerous for pregnant women.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This damn nanny state is out of control! /s

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

And sugar. Off topic a bit, but my addiction is sugar and some reminders might make the occasional difference.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Because alchol sellers aren't widely considered as flat out evil as cigarette makers, meaning that they can still realistically grease the wheels of power with dump trucks full of money.

I'm sure cigarette makers would love to the do the same thing, but no politician is dumb enough to risk taking "campaign contributions" from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth. Alcohol makers still have a level of respectability that lets them get away with it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

no politician is dumb enough to risk taking โ€œcampaign contributionsโ€ from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth.

And yet they'll accept campaign assistance from foreign and domestic oil companies:

https://canadians.org/analysis/when-big-oil-intervenes-canadian-politics-it-does-so-foreign-money-and-huge-scale/

https://canadians.org/media/new-report-reveals-pervasive-influence-big-foreign-oil-canadian-politics/

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Or to the leading cause of death of Canadians: dietary cholesterol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0UY3FwoW4

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Roberts-14/publication/23313863_The_Cause_of_Atherosclerosis/links/551477890cf283ee08364f81/The-Cause-of-Atherosclerosis.pdf

The leading cause of death of Canadians can be eliminated strictly through diet and avoiding animal products that contain cholesterol. And yet we pour millions of dollars into research each year for cutting edge new drugs that give you (so claimed) a 20% reduction in heart attacks, while having dozens of unwanted side effects.

If you're relying on the government and industry to teach you how to be healthy and to provide the tools you need to do it, you're going to die young.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I wholly agree with the author of this article, but implementing something like this will meet a lot of resistance. Let's not forget that cigarettes are a relatively new phenomenon, whereas alcohol is something we've consumed as a species since prehistoric times. There are a lot of cultural, social, and historical ties to the use of alcohol that people won't let go easily and will make any attempt to reduce alcohol consumption an uphill battle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not really equivalent. Smoking permanently leaves all kind of nasty shit in your lungs and causes cancer. Also very addictive, making moderation physically difficult (alcohol can also be addictive but not to the same extremes). Alcohol in moderation isn't really an issue. Pushing it more can give your liver a bad time, but as long as you give it a break before the point of disease it can bounce right back.

There is a societal problem especially in the UK in that it's seen as a sort of matter of pride to throw moderation out of the window and get as wasted as possible, but I have my doubts that graphic health warnings will do much about that. Either way it's more an effect of society ignoring and sometimes even shaming moderation (how many times have you been shamed for going home before you fall over on a work's night out) than the alcohol itself.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Warnings now do appear on the back of alcohol in the EU but they're usually small things on the back of the label stating the units of alcohol in the bottle & warning about drinking while pregnant or whatever.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

โ€œI donโ€™t want to say that there are necessarily equivalent health risks,โ€

I mean, they said it themselves. Drinking responsibly and in moderation poses no recorded long-term health risks. But even 1 cigarette a day can cause serious harm.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not quite. Even the accepted amount poses increased threats to being diagnosed with cancer (it is a carcinogen at the end of the day): https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohols-effects-body

It is incredibly worse with breast cancer too.

"Evidence is consistent that intake, even intake of less than 10-15 grams per day, is associated with increased risk of this disease"

https://arcr.niaaa.nih.gov/volume/40/2/alcohols-effects-breast-cancer-women

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Dooo it. They'll be a bit more tame, though, because moderate drinking is not nearly as deadly as smoking.

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