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Mine is that at my age (barely made it into Gen Z on the old end) I just found out today that a Bo Weevil is an insect (beetle) and not some kind of mole or similar rodent.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

"Cake" in "let them eat cake" is "brioche". I had thought that cake meant cheap chemically leavened bread-ish, but it actually was an out of touch elite being genuinely confused about bread shortages, not someone callously suggesting the peasants eat shittier food.

Also it probably wasn't Marie Antoinette.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Value-types in C# can apparently contain reference-type members. I had always thought that they could only contain other value-types. I've been using C# since before its official release. It still hurts my head trying to wrap my brain around it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I thought jealousy and envy were synonymous.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

i learnt a while back that they're not the same, but i can't even remember the difference

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Envy is wanting something someone else has. Jealousy is fearing someone will take away something you have. Or I’m about to learn that what I’ve recently learnt is not true and then this would be my answer for this post.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is correct! Majority of the time when someone says they're jealous of something they absolutely mean envious. E.g. "You're going for a holiday next week? I'm so jealous." Nope. Envious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Majority of the time when someone says they're jealous of something they absolutely mean envious.

Isn't this how language works ? If majority of the time people use the word in certain way, than that becomes one of its accepted meanings. In fact dictionaries list one of the meanings of "jealous" to be "envious" (with citations of this usage going back to 14th century, including works by Oscar Wilde and Mark Twain that are over 100 years old)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

While obviously you're correct, this is not necessarily a good thing. The jealousy-envy collapse is clearly an impoverishment of language. These are two different concepts and it's useful to have words for concepts.

FWIW: the doctrine that "whatever people say is by definition correct and wise" is actually a pretty Anglocentric and modern thing. Linguists didn't always think this, and you won't get people saying this for French, for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is it really a modern thing ? Somehow we got from Beowulf to Shakespeare, and from Latin to French in the past. I feel like the concept of "freezing" language in some fixed form is the more modern and academic ideal - and quite a quixotic one at that - people on the street will do with the language what they will as they always have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, that's fair. And of course the guy on the street is not waiting on a linguistics academy for permission to open his mouth.

But you're gonna have a tough time persuading me that a change like this is somehow "good" for our language. Languages get poorer as well as richer through use. The envy-jealousy case to me looks pretty clear: most people never learned the difference at school, or didn't understand it, or just didn't care, and now the rest of us have to accept that there's no word for "jealousy" any more. Coz the people is always right, innit? It's this attitude that is really modern.

So many other examples. "To step foot on" springs to mind. Yes, yes, entirely correct, and logical (foot! step!), and probably already in the dictionary. But to me it will always be what it obviously is, really: a mishearing by a lot of people who never saw it in print because they don't read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I do understand the sentiment. I am a bit old and have seen words and phrases shift meanings in my lifetime and feel occasional irritation due to it (although I try to care less and less about it :)

I do find it harder to get worked up about a word that acquired additional meanings in the 14th century though - that ship has truly sailed :) Like who am I to school Mark Twain on the meaning of words.

I also find the ability of English to use the same word with different meanings and the power of context quite interesting (the fact that individual words exist in English with 100s of distinct meanings is really quite mind blowing.)

Ideas and concepts can sometimes be fuzzy as well with large overlaps, and insisting on too much specificity, precision and delineation in the language can be counterproductive to effective communication just as much as allowing too much flexibility can - but yeah, I guess there will always be some tension there and differences of opinion.

Language is often messy, but always fascinating. (And btw, I never said good or bad or right or wrong - I don't feel it's really my place to place such judgements)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Jealousy is Smeagle with the ring.

Envy is Smeagle when someone else has the ring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That "Southern" isn't normally pronounced in the way that I pronounce it (which is "SOWth-urn", with a lot of emphasis on the "O" sound, instead of "suff-ern")

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

It's not suffern.... Suh thern

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's, uh, boll. Boll weevil. So you learned two things!

While we're on animals, every time I hear the word mongoose I picture some kind of platypus-like creature. Like, a half goose, half weasel or something. And that's not what it is at all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Like, a half goose, half weasel

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I thought rabbits and hares were the same species but just gendered like cow and bull

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Love this one and the comments. I can tell them apart at a glance.

God said, "Where you want these extra 2 inches? Top or bottom?"

EDIT: That last was on the wrong comment. I'm rolling with it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I’ll be damned.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're different species?!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Like how a lion is related to a tiger but they aren’t the same.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Like how an Amstaff and a minpin are different but still dogs?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

One is cute and fluffy, one has seen into the void and hates reality.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I thought everyone had an internal monologue, now I'm seeing that's not the case, I'm still processing it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Speaking of brains, my girlfriend claims that when she imagines something in her head, she sees a detailed image in front of her, as real as real life. Meanwhile thoughts in my head are just concepts and words. I mean I can imagine what something looks like, but it's an abstract of the basic concept of the thing, not a detailed image in my mind. It takes a strong psychedelic for me to be able to picture something in my head with detail, but according to her apparently I'm the weird one.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia

My partner has Aphantasia. Brains are strange! She cannot visualize in her mind which makes it very challenging to do certain tasks and many things she does are based on muscle memory. Also interestingly when a song gets stuck in her head it is like she is making all of the sounds with her inner voice. For me, I can hear the song like there is a recording playing in my head.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think I have that because I recall music the same way. Usually it's just the chorus or a verse playing on loop, though, and the actual song never sounds exactly how I remember it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

There are varying levels of Aphantasia, for my partner it is complete but for you if may only be partial. The wiki page I linked discussed it a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Ever still hear the recording even when you are singing along? It sounds so good in my head but I'm a terrible singer. I would threaten my son with singing when he was misbehaving.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You can’t picture anything in your mind’s eye? It’s not seeing for real but imagining you are looking at something. Like a memory. When you say abstract of the thing you just think of the words associated with it or along those lines?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

No I can picture things in my head, just not as a vivid image. Images in my mind are vague and detail-less. Like dreams. Mostly I remember the emotions associated with the memory, not what my surroundings looked like at the time.

FWIW I have ADHD, so asking me to remember anything with any sort of detail is already a challenge enough as-is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

If you'd ask me to imagine a tea cup with a green jade color in front of me, I'd imagine a cup and that's it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You mean like imagining a voice speak out your thoughts? Thoughts are so much faster than speech, I feel like having to speak out all your thoughts would slow things down significantly.

The best tip I learned about reading faster is to stop narrating the words in your head, which puts a hard limit on your reading speed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Bro I can't read if I don't read it in my head lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Wait, people narrate the words in their head? That must be insanely slow

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I like the reading tip! I think not many people are aware of it.

My thoughts use meaning, instead a specific words.

The whole interpreting my thoughts as natural language often takes longer than coming up with the tought itself.

This results in:

  1. I often use the intersection of the languages I, and the people I speak with know.
  2. When it's a topic I'm knowledgeable about, I often talk too fast and people find it hard to follow me.
  3. I draw many associations and comprehending the larger picture is easy. Yet I often miss the point in the smaller picture.
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

So.. which one is the lesser of two weevils?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The way we use our brain. I thought that everybody's brain was used similarly to hire I use mine. But I'm fact everybody did it differently.

For instance, some people use more of their visual cortex to do maths, and assign colors to different numbers. For some maths takes place more in the language part, or timekeeping part.

Richard Feynman did some experimenting with this: https://youtu.be/lr8sVailoLw ( from 2.08)

But it makes sense, in school nobody tells you how to use your brain, they just give assignments and look at the outcome, also you don't really control how your brain works, you can train it to do some things more efficient, but you can't learn to do maths in your visual cortex.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I recently saw a video of a girl being able to spell words backwards really fast and the way it was described is that she just saw the text of the word in her mind and just read the letters backwards. That is so fascinating to me because that is just so so far from how my brain works, I don't see shit.

[–] otp 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That sounds like aphantasia.

Until maybe 10 years ago, I thought that was some exceptionally rare condition, and that I'd be instantly able to tell who had that by how they acted because that person would be so weird or different than everyone else.

Turns out lots of people have it, including my mother.

It was so weird to me, because I have an inner monologue and it's pretty much always going. And I can "hear" it inside my mind. I can visualize anything I can think about, even watch "movies" with a "soundtrack" in my own mind. It's so omnipresent in my life, and that's just not how everyone's brain can work.

And of course, people who don't have that in their mind are no less intelligent or anything. Maybe it's easier for them to focus than it is for me! Lol

But when I first heard about it, I wondered things like, "How can they read?" or "How can they know what something looks like from a description, or how can they understand how something would be moved in a 3D space without actually moving it?" Lol

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[–] otp 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For almost my entire life, I'd been using the word "Apparently" to mean "Allegedly" or "I'd heard/read, but haven't verified".

It actually means "Evidently" or "As can be plainly observed". So pretty much the opposite connotation.

I've been trying to get myself out of that habit, but even judging from my comment history, it's apparently pretty hard.

(I did it right that time!)

I think the problem was that I'd thought it was being used ironically.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I am not sure you were as wrong as you think - see definitions 2 and 3 here

Usage of words shifts and sometimes expands over time.

More references here or here

I would personally definitely interpret "apparently" and "plainly" differently - "apparently" to me is "the evidence so far does seem to point this way, but I am not necessarily convinced, or have strong feelings either way" vs "plainly" is "the evidence is clear, I am convinced, and so should you be" - although obviously context would matter as well and could alter this interpretation.

Edit: even your example usage "I've been trying to get myself out of that habit, but even judging from my comment history, it's apparently pretty hard" - to me the usage of "apparently" here indicates similar tension and/or contradiction, in this case between belief/intent (I am trying to stop the habit) and evidence (but my comment history shows otherwise) - it wouldn't work quite as well with "plainly"

It would work with "evidently" but carry more of a connotation of confirmation and shift the emphasis (I am trying to, but it's hard as confirmed by evidence) rather than contradiction (I would like to think I am doing it, but evidence shows otherwise) - of course you might have meant it either way (or even neither) - I am just saying how it reads to me.

[–] otp 3 points 6 days ago

I can understand why it might bother some people, since it's kind of like "literally", where the "new" definition is the opposite of the "traditional" definition, and we already have perfectly good words to fill in for the new definition.

I also dislike how "apparent" means "clear" or "obvious", but I'd been using "apparentLY" to mean "allegedly".

But thank you for the affirmation that I was using it in "one" proper way!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've always understood it as "This is apparent to people who are familiar with the issue, but since I am not, I have to take their word for it. If I looked into the issue, I'm reasonably certain I would come to the same conclusion."

Apparently that's not how other people parse it, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

This reminds me of "concur". For so long I have thought it meant "disagree", but apparently it's actually the opposite? It still feels like it should be the former

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It's library - not libary

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