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I would argue that there are a few ways this phrase can be inverted:

No rights reserved

Implies that the author waives all rights to his/her work (i.e. ultimately places it in the public domain)

All rights included

I've seen this one in the context of royalty-free music being used in the commercial sense, where if you pay for the license, you can use that song anytime anywhere, with all rights to the song. This seems to be the opposite of "All rights reserved" which we should know by now what it means

Copyleft

While not really a phrase, it is the opposite of copyright itself. Used primarily in software but maybe some other media can also be considered copyleft. As far as I'm aware, it has some ties with copyright itself (that you cannot remove attribution from the author, and, in case of software, must distribute it as is, without putting any restrictions yourself)

There are probably more means other than what I've listed, and I would love to hear your thoughts and suggestions!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

RE: Copyleft

The idea of copyleft is that you give anyone the freedom to do anything with your work, with one essential restriction: they do the same for their changes, derivative works etc. Technically attribution doesn't have to be part of a copyleft licence, but all copyleft licences I know have a requirement to preserve copyright info.

And yes, it is popular in software (GPL, MPL, EPL), but for other types of works there is CC BY-SA 4.0 (Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike). If you want to copyleft books, images, videos, other forms of text... this is the way to go, IMO.

Some additional remarks, just to clarify:

  • Copyleft is not "giving up all copyright" - copyleft essentially "plays" the copyright system in a way that makes sure nobody is restricting access to or usage of one's work. Using the rules of copyright against copyright, if you will.
  • In some jurisdictions, there is no such thing as "giving up all copyright" or "dedicating something to the public domain". Best you can do, generally, is giving users all the same/relevant rights.
  • Most Creative Commons licences are not copyleft, only the ones with a ShareAlike (SA) clause. Some CC licences are also nonfree, meaning they don't give you all the freedoms to do what you want with the work. The 2 possible nonfree clauses in CC licences are ND (no derivative works) and NC (no commercial use). NC can also be used together with a SA clause, making CC BY-SA (free) and CC BY-NC-SA (nonfree) the two CC copyleft licences.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I've been creating and downloading CC artwork for almost 10 years. You can find it on Machinimasounds, NCS music, Jamendo.

I find their website very helpful https://creativecommons.org/licenses/.

[–] razrabotka 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jamendo

I recently made a Jamendo account myself, and I already found an album to download ("Show it to your Mother" by Rusty Tea Makers). I find it easier to find music there than on FMA

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

do you know any ways to filter the playlist so that only songs with BY-SA shows up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I met my favorite group in Jamendo 10 years ago. Good, good times.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Creative Commons Zero / Public Domain Dedication / CC0 is the closest thing to a legally enforceable antonym of copyright.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and for those that don't like CC licenses applied to code, 0BSD is also an option

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

CC0 is the one CC licence you can safely use for code, as per the official recommendations. For all other CC licences, it is (strongly) discouraged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Weird/confusing name, questionable legality and the website went down a while back (while mentioned explicitly in the licence...)

Use CC0 1.0 or Zero Clause BSD instead. They are more reputable, and all decent "public domain equivalent" licences are... well, equivalent in effect, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

afaik some people are worried about the "legal enforceability" of the unlicense, which is funny given the point of it is to be an explicit "go do what you want" license.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unlicense only works in some legal systems. You cannot put your own work into the public domain in many european nations for example.

See this link: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/147120

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

if it explicitly granted patent rights i would definitely use it for software tbh

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the use of the phrase All rights reversed when talking about copyleft.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Refused by whom? Refused to the owner?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If "All rights reserved" means "I, the rights holder, reserve the usage of all copy rights for myself only. You have no such rights." then "All rights refused" must mean "I, the rights holder, refuse all copy rights to this work. You can do whatever."

I guess I like it because it's catchy and aggressively anti-copyright.

But if you're actually going to release something where copyright might become an issue it's of course better to use a real license like CC.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've just stepped into a minefield. Look up the difference between the MIT and GPL licences. If you're into that sort of thing it can be fascinating, but basically it boils down to two camps:

  1. Your license preserves your freedoms by binding the licensee to a guarantee that they'll preserve your freedom.
  2. Your license preserves nothing, but guarantees the licensee the right to do anything they want.

Each camp claims theirs is "more free". Only one can be right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Depending on the definition of what they consider free.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'd like to disrespectfully disagree, it's a trainwreck of a license and while I get the memeing, some people actually go ahead and use it seriously, just because they can't be bothered to put some thought into how their software should be treated, that doesn't protect neither themselves nor the users

[–] scottmeme 2 points 1 year ago

WTFPL is my favorite license

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Just say: Public Domain

[–] jbrains 5 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I had the same question dozen years ago when was taking part in publishing one book (in my translation from French). Publishing house finally used phrase which in English should sound like: "Not protected by copyright law".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No rights preserved?